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JT misses flop
Maybe not the most intresting hand to analyse ever but...
Button is a pretty good player (27% flop seen). SB is very loose (55% flop seen). I misses the flop totally, but think it's a decent chance both opponents done the same. Should I bet, and if so, how much? Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter Button ($421.90) SB ($1161.50) BB ($189) Hero ($764.45) MP ($570.80) CO ($382.58) Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $16, SB (poster) calls $14, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: ($52) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero...</font> |
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Re: JT misses flop
I might bet (about 20), but only because I raised preflop. If he raises, I obviously lay it down.
If he calls, I probably check/fold the turn unless something indicates I should do otherwise |
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Re: JT misses flop
I thought because of the texture, (no straightdraws) of the flop a bet might be in order.
I think its a little leak in my game to not bet the flop unless i have "something" maybe 55 in this example. I almost never bet into 2 players on a flop like 79T if I misses completely. Is a bet of about 20-25 have same effect as a potbet in situations like this hand (the one I posted)? |
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Re: JT misses flop
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Is a bet of about 20-25 have same effect as a potbet in situations like this hand (the one I posted)? [/ QUOTE ] 20-25 here has the potential to be terrible. Unless you would regularly bet that if you held AK, and villians know this, I think you have to bet it like you got AK/AA. That is IF you bet. You don't have to continuation bet every hand. I probably would here, but I don't raise up JTo UTG like you did here, so what do I know. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] |
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Re: JT misses flop
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I thought because of the texture, (no straightdraws) of the flop a bet might be in order. I think its a little leak in my game to not bet the flop unless i have "something" maybe 55 in this example. I almost never bet into 2 players on a flop like 79T if I misses completely. Is a bet of about 20-25 have same effect as a potbet in situations like this hand (the one I posted)? [/ QUOTE ] 20-25 dollars doesn't have the same effect in this situation. With the flush draw out I think if you decide to CB this flop it needs to be closer 2/3- full pot depending on what is normal for you. It has to look like you are charging a flush draw with say AK or AA, 1/2 pot or less looks too weak and you might get a fiesty button or SB to raise you with Air or make it more likely they will call to take it away on the turn. Even without the flush draw I rarely bet 1/2 pot or less on the flop. |
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Re: JT misses flop
My normal CB here with AK,AA, a set for example is mostly 45-50 (pot was 50), sometimes maybe 40 but almost never less than that.
This does a bet of 25 here pretty stupid? |
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Re: JT misses flop
you always play JTo UTG?
is this considered a good raise...? |
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Re: JT misses flop
I maybe raise with JT utg 20-25% of the time and fold the rest. I didn't have a very good reason to do this here but felt for it and had a good feel for the other players and the tempo of the table. Is it terrible to do once in a while?
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Re: JT misses flop
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you always play JTo UTG? is this considered a good raise...? [/ QUOTE ] player and style dependent. you have to be an excellent postflop player to have success with this which is why most people avoid doing it. I think this isn't a good place to c-bet. SB is bad and you know bad players love flushdraws (unless you said he was NIT bad and i didn't realize). 1/2 pot wouldn't be good. the player with position on you is good. 1/2 pot looks like a semi-bluff since you're failing to protect a made hand and he might bluff raise or semi-bluff raise you. |
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Re: JT misses flop
I was thinking about the flushdraw there maybe gives me less reason to cont bet. But with SB's random holding I dont think the flushdraw makes much different, does it?
SB was also pretty str8forward postflop. Folding with nothing calls with something. But I had never seen him bet into preflopraiser. |
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