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I can toss this turn right?
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP calls, Button calls, SB calls. Flop: (16.00 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, MP calls, Button calls. Turn: (10.00 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Button folds, SB calls, Hero folds. Once the turn bet got called in 3 spots, I figure someones got a K and I can toss it right? |
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Re: I can toss this turn right?
Boy, this a tough spot. At first I liked it, but I didn't read the turn action close enough. SB looks like he's getting passive with a pair of jacks or something, and MP may very well be taking a stab at this. In a pot this big offering so many draws, I'd like seeing a showdown.
I think I would've taken a stab on the turn, or perhaps raise the flop. I'm not sure about the flop though. |
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Re: I can toss this turn right?
I think you have to bet this turn. Check the river UI, and call if HU. As for overcalling the river, because of the SB's odd play (which looks a lot like JJ or QQ, JJ being more likely), I think you call the river also.
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Re: I can toss this turn right?
why not bet the turn when it is checked to you?
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Re: I can toss this turn right?
b/c I had 2 people behind me who both called the flop. I figured one of them had to have a king b/c the only other draw is a flush draw and what are the odds of both having a flush draw?
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Re: I can toss this turn right?
</font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr />
b/c I had 2 people behind me who both called the flop. I figured one of them had to have a king b/c the only other draw is a flush draw and what are the odds of both having a flush draw? [/ QUOTE ] flush draw, straight draw, middle pair, PP, AJo, who knows. I think giving one of them credit for a King here is very weak-tight. |
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Re: I can toss this turn right?
Think about it this way: if MP had a K, doesn't he raise the flop, either for value, or to put pressure on the button and get last action on later streets?
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Re: I can toss this turn right?
</font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr />
Think about it this way: if MP had a K, doesn't he raise the flop, either for value, or to put pressure on the button and get last action on later streets? [/ QUOTE ] dude i'm agreeing with you. i dont think he has a K. i think we bet this turn 100% of the time it gets checked to us |
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Re: I can toss this turn right?
[ QUOTE ]
Think about it this way: if MP had a K, doesn't he raise the flop, either for value, or to put pressure on the button and get last action on later streets? [/ QUOTE ] Not necessarily. A lot of players wuss out there with even AK after the preflop action. He also wouldn't raise with KK some of the time. This hand played out in such a way that the flop action defines little about anyone's hand, except hero's unfortunately. However, I still think it's way too weak to give him credit for a king. |
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Re: I can toss this turn right?
Not necessarily, and thats the crux of my dilemma. I think that given the pf action he might be afraid to raise a weaker K like KT, KJ. I wasn't sure of the likelyhood of him having a K but what hand is he calling 2 cold with that he bets on the turn with? He's not goining to bet a strait or flushdraw b/c the pot is too big for people to be folding. Furthermore, he'd be more likely to raise a strait or flushdraw than a K b/c he's gotta know his outs are clean. A K might not raise for fear of getting 3 bet w/a hand having little chance of improving. He's gotta be betting for value right?
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