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-22- Do I have to call this?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) converter
SB (t4495) Hero (t1310) UTG (t780) Button (t1415) Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG is all-in, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>. Hero? I hate this because in the lower levels villian is not necessarily pushing any two here. Villian is an average conservative player to this point. I think it's reasonable to say that villian only pushes top 50% here, possibly even less. Am I wrong? What kind of range do you put villian on here? |
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Re: -22- Do I have to call this?
If he's pusthing top 50% I'm still not calling there. Give me a straight or flush possibility and I'll think about it with J high.
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Re: -22- Do I have to call this?
If you think it's 50%, then calling is basically neutral, costing you 3 cents.
He'd have to be pushing 60% or more to make it worth it. Considering that he should only push with the top 50% anyway, folding is probably best. |
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Re: -22- Do I have to call this?
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If you think it's 50%, then calling is basically neutral, costing you 3 cents. He'd have to be pushing 60% or more to make it worth it. Considering that he should only push with the top 50% anyway, folding is probably best. [/ QUOTE ] Where did you get these numbers? I checked the ChipEV with Poker Calculator and did an ICM calculation with notepad, and both are clearly positive even if villain is pushing only 40% of his hands. Am I just tired or something? This is an autocall for me every time. You need to put T480 into a T1230 pot. Thats 1:2.6. |
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Re: -22- Do I have to call this?
I don't.
I don't make an auto-call with XY unless Villain has less than or exactly 2 BB. I fold here, and push XY next hand. I'm fairly sure you missed up on some sort of push window earlier, but I won't make any further comments since we can't know that with the info you're giving us. edit: I'd make this call with QT+, K9+, A7+, 88+ |
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Re: -22- Do I have to call this?
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I don't. I don't make an auto-call with XY unless Villain has less than or exactly 2 BB. I fold here, and push XY next hand. I'm fairly sure you missed up on some sort of push window earlier, but I won't make any further comments since we can't know that with the info you're giving us. edit: I'd make this call with QT+, K9+, A7+, 88+ [/ QUOTE ] You'd fold A6? You'd fold 77?!!?!! Are you insane???????????? |
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Re: -22- Do I have to call this?
Easy call you gotta put another 480 into the pot making it 1710.
Meaning you gotta be worse than a 28% dog against his range of hands. He will be pushing almost anything here, at worst you are probably a 35% dog against his range so I think its an easy call. |
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Re: -22- Do I have to call this?
I think this is not quite as easy a call as many of us might think. Now, even if I were at 33% to win the hand, this particular scenario is a fold IMO.
Here's how I see the ICM numbers... FoldEV = 17.8% Call & Win = 32.3% Call & Lose = 10.5% So, if they are pushing 40% then we are roughly 67/33: .323 * .33 = .10659 .105 * .67 = .07035 In this situation our Call$EV = ~.177, or 17.7% So this hints that folding is superior to calling. I think the real question here is the range of hands that we can put UTG on. I feel like the majority of players at the 22's are not pushing 60%+ hands here, which is pretty much what I would need to put them on in order to call. Obviously any reads would greatly affect what range you could put them on, but let's assume we are pushbotting 12-tables and have none. Who says UTG pushes more than 50% here, and who says less? I'm really curious what your experiences are on this. |
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Re: -22- Do I have to call this?
UTG is in BB next hand he has to push here with anything remotely playable.
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Re: -22- Do I have to call this?
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UTG is in BB next hand he has to push here with anything remotely playable. [/ QUOTE ] This is a $22 SNG on Party, there is no reason on this planet to believe that he knows that. Lori |
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