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AJo...WAY overplayed
1/2 PP, had not been at the table more than 2 orbits, had no real read on the villain prior to this hand.
Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero calls, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, SB completes, BB :#A500AF(Villain)/ checks. Flop: (3 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Villain bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Villain 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, SB calls. I figured villain was perhaps betting out with a 9. With only 3 in, I liked my overcards, backdoor nutflush draw, and last-to-act position. I raised here because I thought I had a good shot at getting to see free cards later. The three-bet was definitely an alarm bell...and one I don't think I sufficiently heeded. Should have signalled 2-pair at a minimum, since I had no read this guy was a particularly reckless player. Turn: (6 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Villain bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Villain 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, SB calls. I'm still thinking Villain has A9 or maybe nutflush draw here...that's why I raised again. I finally wake up on his second 3-bet of the hand, and know he has me beat, whether it's 2 pair, set, or straight. River: (15 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Villain bets</font>, Hero calls, SB calls. I call mainly because of the pot size...I'm almost certain he has me beat here. Final Pot: 18 BB In reviewing this hand, I think my preflop and flop play was okay. I think my river play, despite the fact I know I'm beat, is all right too because of the size of the pot. I think my play on the turn, however, sucked; Villain's flop 3-bet should have been a clear warning that he had something better than a measly TPTK or diamond draw. Thoughts? |
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Re: AJo...WAY overplayed
I like a raise preflop, but that seems to be mostly a matter of taste (and texture of the table).
Given the turn 3-bet and the powerful suckiness of that river, i actually think you can fold. The turn raise is close. I liked it at first, but i think that's because i'm a LAG, and was going to advocate just calling down, but with SB in there i like the raise again. Overall, i don't think you did too bad. |
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Re: AJo...WAY overplayed
Gotta raise preflop.
The way it played out, you overthought yourself on the flop. Here's the most important thing you need to consider: [ QUOTE ] Flop: (3 SB) [/ QUOTE ] This pot is far too tiny to fight over; you definitely don't have odds to draw. I would just fold it off the get-go. |
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Re: AJo...WAY overplayed
[ QUOTE ]
This pot is far too tiny to fight over; you definitely don't have odds to draw. I would just fold it off the get-go. [/ QUOTE ] I missed this (because i'm used to the pot being raised when i have AJ [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]). I agree that you should just fold this flop. |
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Re: AJo...WAY overplayed
I don't think we can simply say that he is calling with only a 9, but even if we assume that we still need to improve. So we have the following out:
Overcards = 3.0 Backdoor flush = 1.5 I think we need to discount the overcard outs as there is a flush draw out as well as the potential for a straight. So here we have 4.5 outs, which means we need about 10:1 to call here. You are only getting 4:1 if you just call here, obviously your raise hurts you even more here. When he 3-bets you are getting 8:1 so you are still not getting what you need to call here. |
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Re: AJo...WAY overplayed
Grunch:
No preflop raise? I know its off suit, but more times than not, I like a raise with these cards. Flop, I guess thats ok, given overcard and BDFD possibilities... His 3bet on the turn is a warning flag, definitely (against an unknown) so I go into cautious mode, even with TPTK. River sucks, I'm leaning towards a fold here, but SSHE preaches a loose call here if we've got a chance of winning. Whats our chance of winning here? We beat only pairs under JJ, Villain is the BB so who knows WTF he has. 96o? 25s? I'm thinking I might not overcall here however. |
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Re: AJo...WAY overplayed
Villain's flop 3-bet may have been with a set or 2 pair. However, I think that villain may still have 3-bet with TPGK thinking that he had the best hand. He may have considered that you were unlikely to have an overpair as you didnt raise preflop.
I thought that you were correct to raise the turn, because you may have just improved to the best hand. I agree that villain's turn 3-bet suggests that he probably has you beat. However, by then the pot had become so big that I think that calling down became correct, in case your hand was best. Where I would have played your hand differently is that I would have folded to the flop bet. With only 4 small bets in the pot at that stage, I dont think that it was worth chasing with overcards, despite also having the backdoor nut flush draw. I also would have preferred to open raise preflop, but some players like to limp from EP, and I would not consider that to be a mistake. |
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Re: AJo...WAY overplayed
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In reviewing this hand, I think my preflop and flop play was okay. [/ QUOTE ] I hate both of these streets. First of all, raise PF. Second, raising the flop is just spewing. The whole hand plays differently if you correctly take the initiative preflop. |
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Re: AJo...WAY overplayed
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[ QUOTE ] In reviewing this hand, I think my preflop and flop play was okay. [/ QUOTE ] I hate both of these streets. First of all, raise PF. Second, raising the flop is just spewing. The whole hand plays differently if you correctly take the initiative preflop. [/ QUOTE ] Is there are situation where you would limp AJo, or is it always a raise or fold? I'm thinking specifically of very loose tables where you are confident of 4-5 to the flop, even with a raise from EP. |
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Re: AJo...WAY overplayed
(grunching)
I would probably fold AJo from UTG. It's a weak hand, and you don't even know your opponents yet! If I wasn't going to raise it, I'd fold. Since you didn't raise, villain doesn't view you as a threat. Flop: You could easy fold that tiny pot. I might call and look for a diamond or my overcard on the turn. When you get 3-bet, without any reads, maybe from a laggy player, you're looking at his draw, or any pair, but he could have two pair. BB has any two cards. Since you raised, you want to play, so I guess I'd call the 3-bet and still hope for my A, J or diamond. Turn: Call. No reads and he's still betting into you after you called his 3-bet. Why do you think you have the best hand?? It's not even the J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. River: That's a big pot, but I think yer dead. SB maybe has his draw, which is the only reason I figure he's still there. Sometimes the fish hang around with their 2nd pair. I'd make a crying call. This was lost on the flop. |
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