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Some interesting spots
#1 - Assume that the table is of at least normal aggression.
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB caps</font>, <font color="green">Hero...?</font> Call or fold? #2 - About a minute after the hand was over the PT autoload came in and I really messed this one up. Since I had no idea what the villian was like, take him as a lovely unknown. Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO folds, Hero calls. Flop: (8 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (5 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="green">Hero...?</font> Check or bet? Always appreciated. Brad |
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Re: Some interesting spots
hand 1
a call isnt bad especially with a hand that will play itself post flop hand 2 bet |
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Re: Some interesting spots
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a call isnt bad especially with a hand that will play itself post flop [/ QUOTE ] To some extent it will. But we could get tied to the pot chasing a set (or gutshot, on a coordinated board). Also, the chances of flopping a set and losing to a better one increase with this preflop action. Also, when this much money goes in preflop, that cuts into our implied odds, especially since we could catch a set and still lose. But if we do flop a set, we can expect a lot of action, since our opponents apparently have great hands. So I don't think calling is so bad, though I would fold. |
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Re: Some interesting spots
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[ QUOTE ] a call isnt bad especially with a hand that will play itself post flop [/ QUOTE ] To some extent it will. But we could get tied to the pot chasing a set (or gutshot, on a coordinated board). Also, the chances of flopping a set and losing to a better one increase with this preflop action. Also, when this much money goes in preflop, that cuts into our implied odds, especially since we could catch a set and still lose. But if we do flop a set, we can expect a lot of action, since our opponents apparently have great hands. So I don't think calling is so bad, though I would fold. [/ QUOTE ] exactly my feelings - when you flop a set and lose (1/4 of the time) you're gonna lose a monster pot. |
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Re: Some interesting spots
In Hand #1 I think this is a call. Another guy stuck in the middle there and I'm definitely calling. Still, even with this case I think you can make it up postflop and more (I'd like to add that I think you said somewhere to never fold a pair in the BB at most tables [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]).
In Hand #2 I'm inclined to bet because SB smells a bit of overcards to nines. |
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Re: Some interesting spots
Hand 1 is there some kind of trick or something?
Hand 2 I would bet all day. Unknown can easily have overcards and you also may have him reverse dominated. |
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Re: Some interesting spots
hand1: you are getting an immediate 10/3 that will likely be 12/3 .. you need to make up about 9BB(10/1 .. since you only win around 75% of the time with a set) if all 3 just call down its 7.5BB so I don't think getting 9 will be too difficult
hand2:3betting out of the SB usually means business something like AA-TT, AK-AJ most 2/4's are pretty passive, especially when raising out of the blinds, I think that is a fairly reasonable range .. open to opinions on it 27combos of bigpairs, 24combos of Ax .. getting raised on this turn would really suck, and I think the AK-AJ will take a stab at the pot on the river if you check behind here |
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Re: Some interesting spots
Hand 1. I was thinking fold, but with 4 opponents in the pot it might be ok to call because implied odds are huge if you flop a set.
Hand 2. Easy bet. I agree with what others have said about this hand. SB looks like overs to me. Unless he's tricky. |
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Re: Some interesting spots
I fold the first hand. If there were more peole involded I would call. But not 4 handed with 77 capepd preflop.
I would bet the turn in Hand. I think you just called the flop to raise the turn, so why not bet with the rag coming and him checking. The chances for a check-raise are very slim, and don't give him a free card if he sits on overcards. |
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Re: Some interesting spots
I'm going to respond before reading other replies.
#1 I would fold. For #2, I think you quite likely have Villain reverse-dominated. I would bet. Maybe he's being tricky and will checkraise, but I think he'll call with overcards now, and you might not get anything out of him on the river anyway. Okay, let's see what others have said. |
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