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Empire $200k, on the bubble, play or not?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) converter
UTG (t9280) UTG+1 (t2156) MP1 (t7460) MP2 (t19565) MP3 (t3954) CO (t5452) Button (t10216) Hero (t2018) BB (t10225) Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t2000</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero raises all-in t2018, BB calls t1018, CO calls t18. Flop: (t4236) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t1500</font>, CO calls t1500. Turn: (t7236) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> CO folds. River: (t7236) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Final Pot: t7236 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> BB has Kh Jh (flush, king high). Hero has Ac Ks (two pair, aces and eights). Outcome: BB wins t7236. </font> so, finished 61, 60 payed $800, never been in that situation before, need some advice. Steve |
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Re: Empire $200k, on the bubble, play or not?
Well, the way you were playing before that hand, I thought you had at least KK. I think you have to decide whether you're playing for the money or to win. It seemed like you were playing for the money, so I think you probably should have folded. If you were playing for the win, you would have found a hand a while before that and not let yourself get that short. As it is, tough luck, work on your MTT game and you could be pretty good. This is a good place to learn.
Gavin |
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Re: Empire $200k, on the bubble, play or not?
I went 40 or 50 hands with nothing better than Q6, 87, etc, so I had decided to just make the money rather than push crap, then hit the only decent hand I'd seen with horrible timing. Even the blind steal agianst u was with A6, then nothing even that good came. Should I have pushed with trash and hoped? I really didnt know so I was basically on the fence waiting for something decent for the last hour, then finally got it and prob should have mucked it. grrr
Steve |
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Re: Empire $200k, on the bubble, play or not?
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I went 40 or 50 hands with nothing better than Q6, 87, etc, so I had decided to just make the money rather than push crap, [/ QUOTE ] If the 87 was suited, it would have been a good hand for pushing from LP with around 5 BB's (i.e. when you still had folding equity). |
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Re: Empire $200k, on the bubble, play or not?
I was utg+1, still though about it, but too many active big stacks behind me I decided.
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Re: Empire $200k, on the bubble, play or not?
It's not about having a hand. It's about having position. If it were folded to you in late position try stealing with any 2. You can't wait for a hand or the Blinds will eat away at your stack.
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Re: Empire $200k, on the bubble, play or not?
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I think you have to decide whether you're playing for the money or to win. [/ QUOTE ] Play to maximize EV. Sometimes that means hanging on for the money. Other times it means going for the win. It all depends on the situation. I think MicroBob gave a nice analysis of the EV of the situation. Paul |
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Re: Empire $200k, on the bubble, play or not?
I understand that sometimes you are going to play just to make the money. What I meant by this is that lacky's play was inconsistent. He was folding every hand when he had a chance to win chips, but when there was no fold equity and he was about to move past the blinds and almost be guaranteed a payday, he decided to call all in. There was seriously a guy with 186 chips in the tournament at this time. I have no problem with playing just to make the money and I've done it before when I was desperate like this, but his play was very inconsistent.
Gavin |
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Re: Empire $200k, on the bubble, play or not?
Reason to fold: You've got to make the top 20 to double the $800 you're about to pick up by folding.
Reason to call: Win this and you've got 2/3 of the average stack so one more big hand will put you in contention for the whole enchilada. So, if you don't mind busting out 40% of the time and missing out on a sure $800, then play. Otherwise, fold. Later, Che |
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Re: Empire $200k, on the bubble, play or not?
well, I know playing for the win at all times is correct (or at least I think I know that, that could be wrong too I guess) If I had had the same hand and busted 70th i wouldn't think twice about it, 61 has me pissed beyond any normal amount i should be.
I'm also running a good fever right now so I may not be entirely sane [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Steve |
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