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Step 4 Bubble - Questions for Satellite Experts
9 left, 8 get a Step 5 seat, 1 gets Step 4 freeroll.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) converter Hero (t3305) UTG (t1100) UTG+1 (t1768) MP1 (t3555) MP2 (t3287) MP3 (t1590) CO (t1801) Button (t1789) SB (t1805) Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t1100 (All-In)</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t1100, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls t1000, Hero calls t900. Flop: (t4400) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 1 all-in)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets t705 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds, MP1 folds. Turn: (t5105) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> River: (t5105) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> Final Pot: t5105 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> UTG has 8c 8s (two pair, eights and twos). SB has Kh Kc (two pair, kings and twos). Outcome: SB wins t5105. </font> Table 2 just started and there are no reads on the utg allin raiser or how the bubble will play in general. 1. Is my preflop call ok or should I be folding my way in? 2. Assume the UTG allin and it folds to me, should I call? 3. While I can think of a few scenarios where SB might benefit from betting on the flop, it still seems highly unlikely to be a good thing for him. Is he insane to be betting here? Thanks. edited to show results |
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Re: Step 4 Bubble - Questions for Satellite Experts
1)You must fold - you have enough chips to autofold in but not enough to make a 900 chip loss irrelevant;
2)No and it's not close; 3)His all in is terrible. |
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Re: Step 4 Bubble - Questions for Satellite Experts
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1. Is my preflop call ok or should I be folding my way in? [/ QUOTE ] If you can fold into the seat, do it. Let someone else bust him. It would suck if the flop was AQ4 and the SB had something like 44 and UTG+1 had QQ. Now you're short-stacked and might not get the seat. Now SB goes all-in, you call, and you are terribly short-stacked. While this is an extreme example, it can happen, and you want to prevent it. Folding is the easiest way, especially since you're like 2nd in chips. [ QUOTE ] 2. Assume the UTG allin and it folds to me, should I call? [/ QUOTE ] No. Again, let the other players bust each other. At this point, you could fold 90 hands before you bust. Someones going out before you. [ QUOTE ] 3. While I can think of a few scenarios where SB might benefit from betting on the flop, it still seems highly unlikely to be a good thing for him. Is he insane to be betting here? [/ QUOTE ] There's an all-in and a call already. IMO, he's insane to even be in the hand to begin with. |
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Re: Step 4 Bubble - Questions for Satellite Experts
Thanks dmk and adanthar. Your points make complete sense.
One question though [ QUOTE ] Quote: 3. While I can think of a few scenarios where SB might benefit from betting on the flop, it still seems highly unlikely to be a good thing for him. Is he insane to be betting here? There's an all-in and a call already. IMO, he's insane to even be in the hand to begin with. [/ QUOTE ] Should SB really be folding KK here preflop? If UTG doubles up, SB will only have 1700, which is almost smallest on the table. Just curious how I should be thinking about this situation. |
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Re: Step 4 Bubble - Questions for Satellite Experts
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While I can think of a few scenarios where SB might benefit from betting on the flop, it still seems highly unlikely to be a good thing for him. Is he insane to be betting here? [/ QUOTE ] if utg+1 loses the hand, the tournament ends. the only way the bet helps SB is if someone else calls, creating a sidepot that SB wins. by my calculation, the odds that the non all-ins will call with a worse hand than KK are zero. obviously, the risk of making this horrible bet is that you fold out something like AQ, an A hits the board, and utg+1's AJ is good. wouldn't SB feel dumb then. |
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Re: Step 4 Bubble - Questions for Satellite Experts
Let the smaller stacks bust each other out. You gain nothing by calling here. Folding is the best play.
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Re: Step 4 Bubble - Questions for Satellite Experts
easy preflop fold.
why are you in there? I would fold even if SB folded. I would have to have a much bigger or much smaller stack to be messing around. His all in on the flop was muy malo. |
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