Informational Raise

[WalleyeJason]

Party NL100

I had just sat down and seen 6 hands. Trying to watch the table to get a feel.

Im in LP and get 99

An EP player ($30) makes it $5 to go and there are 5 callers to me.

I decide to try to represent a big(er) Pair, and also gain some information in the process.

I make it $30 to go.

All fold with the exception of 2 the Original raiser and A guy in MP.

The Flop is 5 K Q

Original raiser is all in, and its heads up for the side pot.

MP guy goes all in $66

I fold.

at showdown

Original raiser shows ATs

LP caller shoes 55

I think I got my moneys worth on information.

What do you think of this type of play?

WJ

[crockpot]

i think this kind of play is too expensive. if reraised you will have to fold and lose not only your $30 but also the chance to bankrupt the other players if you hit a set.

even if you are not reraised and you flop an overpair, you still don't know where you stand. a lot of people will flat call this raise with a bigger pair. more likely there will be one or two overcards on the flop and you will be put to a tough decision.

[tewall]

What you want to do in general is make a good hand as cheaply as possible, and then bet it strongly after you've made it. Raising with 99 doesn't help you reach this goal. You hurt your own implied odds without a plus side.

T. J. Cloutier argues against betting/raising for information on general principles, and I think his reasoning is sound.

You actually gave another reason for raise, although you didn't label it this way. You also raised for deception. In the right circumstances, that could be a profitable play. You'd want a game with large stacks and players who are conscious.

[WalleyeJason]

You actually gave another reason for raise, although you didn't label it this way.

True, it was intended to be a deception and informational raise.

I agree, this is not a solid play.

Your right about the impled Odds, I understand this, but was feeling froggy and decided to jump.

WJ

[Redhot_man]

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Party NL100

I had just sat down and seen 6 hands. Trying to watch the table to get a feel.

Im in LP and get 99

An EP player ($30) makes it $5 to go and there are 5 callers to me.

I decide to try to represent a big(er) Pair, and also gain some information in the process.

I make it $30 to go.

All fold with the exception of 2 the Original raiser and A guy in MP.

The Flop is 5 K Q

Original raiser is all in, and its heads up for the side pot.

MP guy goes all in $66

I fold.

at showdown

Original raiser shows ATs

LP caller shoes 55

I think I got my moneys worth on information.

What do you think of this type of play?

WJ







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Your play was perfect. You knew that the original raiseer would be all-in, which would then put you against the rest of the field, if they all fold its great, if someone calls it is not the worst scernio (just like at the guy with 55). The only problem is getting popped all-in by an AK or JJ

[spacemonkey]

99 can often be a good reraising hand, it depends on the initial raiser's raising standards though. If he raises often with AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, A10, Ax etc, as well as the big pairs 10 10 through to AA, he is far more likely to hold the former. It requires good judgement, but on a lot of flops you will be able to take him off the hand. True, I rarely play 99 like that these days, but play it far more passively, calling and trying to hit a set, or raising in late position. But it can be a solid play against certain opponents (weak tight, loose maniacs) in the right situations.