what would you do?

Mikey · #1 12-31-2003, 06:05 PM

3-6 Online. I'm in the SB with TT. Mid position Raises., Cutoff Calls cold. I 3-bet. They both call.

The flop is....

J 9 4r.

I lead out and both call.

The turn comes a 7.

I lead out, and the original raisers raises. and the cutoff calls cold??

What do you do?

JTG51 · #2 12-31-2003, 06:18 PM

I can't imagine doing anything but calling. You are likely behind and won't get a better hand to fold so raising is bad, but you're getting 11-1 and likely have 6 outs so folding is really bad.

Ulysses · #3 12-31-2003, 06:20 PM

I'd call and hope for an 8 or Ten. I wouldn't 3-bet pre-flop from the SB.

Mikey · #4 12-31-2003, 06:23 PM

Change that 7 to a 6. What would you do??

Ulysses · #5 12-31-2003, 06:25 PM

Usually fold. Did it put a flush draw on the board?

Mikey · #6 12-31-2003, 06:27 PM

no......no flush draw.

Ulysses · #7 12-31-2003, 06:34 PM

Fold. Sometimes the raiser will have A7 and the cold-caller will have A9 or QT. But if you want to find out, you're going to pay 2 bets to win 12 or 13. I think more than 5 out of 6 times one of these guys will have a Jack or better. And they'll improve on the river more times than you will.

JTG51 · #8 12-31-2003, 06:32 PM

I had a feeling a change was coming to this one, otherwise it wasn't much of a question.

I think it's a fold now. You may be ahead of one opponent or the other, but it would be a heck of a parlay to be ahead of both.

chesspain · #9 12-31-2003, 07:12 PM

I'ld go into my "way back" machine and try to nullify that terrible PF 3-bet. After an MP openlimp and a coldcall, I'ld only call for the 1.5SB, although I might be tempted to muck. Indeed, even if the BB calls, you're only getting 4:1 to try to spike a set or low rags, and if it's the latter, it may cost you more money to try to make it to the river as the winner.

Ulysses · #10 12-31-2003, 07:25 PM

I agree that the 3-bet isn't great, but you can't be mucking TT here. In fact, I think 3-betting pre-flop is better than folding here.