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12-08-2005, 12:59 PM
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KK vs a TAG
Villain is a TAG, maybe 2+2, textbook 16/10 over 1600 hands
AF's flop 2.77, turn 2.4, river 1.37 WTSD: 32.07 W$SD 52.78 Party Poker 2.00/4.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, Button calls. Flop: (9.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (8.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, Button checks. River: (8.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button folds. Final Pot: 9.75 BB. flop play ok? lines for the rest of the hand. 
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#2
12-08-2005, 01:04 PM
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Re: KK vs a TAG
Don't check the turn here.
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#3
12-08-2005, 01:08 PM
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Re: KK vs a TAG
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Don't check the turn here. [/ QUOTE ] jd - Do you suggest bet/fold or bet/call on the turn? Why?
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#4
12-08-2005, 01:11 PM
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Re: KK vs a TAG
The q was scary yeah i was going to check call the turn/river
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#5
12-08-2005, 01:23 PM
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Re: KK vs a TAG
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[ QUOTE ] Don't check the turn here. [/ QUOTE ] jd - Do you suggest bet/fold or bet/call on the turn? Why? [/ QUOTE ] I woudl bet/call here. There is no reason to think villain has a Jack (he would have called the 3-bet on the flop and raised a turn bet by hero). More likely a flush draw trying to get a cheap turn in position/medium PP (10's?) charging overcards. I would put villain on AK [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] if hero did'nt have the K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in his hands. AQ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] if villain didn't fold to the river bet. As it stands, it seems like villain 3 bet pre-flop with AT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (not quite the TAG he is made out to be...) or maybe pocket 8's/9's/10's. If villain calls the 3 bet on flop and then raises me on turn I may consider folding this, but would prolly still see showdown (c/c) - and I expect to see AQ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or AJ - so I'm winning half of these.
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#6
12-08-2005, 01:25 PM
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Re: KK vs a TAG
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Don't check the turn here. [/ QUOTE ] jd - Do you suggest bet/fold or bet/call on the turn? Why? [/ QUOTE ] I woudl bet/call here. There is no reason to think villain has a Jack (he would have called the 3-bet on the flop and raised a turn bet by hero). More likely a flush draw trying to get a cheap turn in position/medium PP (10's?) charging overcards. I would put villain on AK [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] if hero did'nt have the K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in his hands. AQ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] if villain didn't fold to the river bet. As it stands, it seems like villain 3 bet pre-flop with AT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (not quite the TAG he is made out to be...) or maybe pocket 8's/9's/10's. If villain calls the 3 bet on flop and then raises me on turn I may consider folding this, but would prolly still see showdown (c/c) - and I expect to see AQ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or AJ - so I'm winning half of these. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks, just wanted to see what your reasoning was!
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#7
12-08-2005, 01:27 PM
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Re: KK vs a TAG
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There is no reason to think villain has a Jack [/ QUOTE ] well i think QQ, KK, AA also make up a good bit of his range seeing how he played it.
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#8
12-08-2005, 01:32 PM
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Re: KK vs a TAG
Yes. Those hands are definitly possible. But YOU have KK, so that makes KK are pretty slim holding. And he has other hands here more often than QQ/AA. With no ace on board and 2 to the flush, he is going to have to show me AA at some point - I am not giving a flop capper (in position) a free draw at a flush.
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#9
12-08-2005, 01:32 PM
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Re: KK vs a TAG
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Don't check the turn here. [/ QUOTE ] jd - Do you suggest bet/fold or bet/call on the turn? Why? [/ QUOTE ] I woudl bet/call here. There is no reason to think villain has a Jack (he would have called the 3-bet on the flop and raised a turn bet by hero). More likely a flush draw trying to get a cheap turn in position/medium PP (10's?) charging overcards. I would put villain on AK [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] if hero did'nt have the K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in his hands. AQ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] if villain didn't fold to the river bet. As it stands, it seems like villain 3 bet pre-flop with AT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (not quite the TAG he is made out to be...) or maybe pocket 8's/9's/10's. If villain calls the 3 bet on flop and then raises me on turn I may consider folding this, but would prolly still see showdown (c/c) - and I expect to see AQ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or AJ - so I'm winning half of these. [/ QUOTE ] I really think putting in 3BB between the turn and river is too much unless you have a retardedly crazy read on villain. You capped preflop, 3-bet the flop, and you think he's raising ATc or AQc when you lead the turn? Rob
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#10
12-08-2005, 01:35 PM
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Re: KK vs a TAG
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Don't check the turn here. [/ QUOTE ] jd - Do you suggest bet/fold or bet/call on the turn? Why? [/ QUOTE ] I woudl bet/call here. There is no reason to think villain has a Jack (he would have called the 3-bet on the flop and raised a turn bet by hero). More likely a flush draw trying to get a cheap turn in position/medium PP (10's?) charging overcards. I would put villain on AK [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] if hero did'nt have the K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in his hands. AQ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] if villain didn't fold to the river bet. As it stands, it seems like villain 3 bet pre-flop with AT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (not quite the TAG he is made out to be...) or maybe pocket 8's/9's/10's. If villain calls the 3 bet on flop and then raises me on turn I may consider folding this, but would prolly still see showdown (c/c) - and I expect to see AQ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or AJ - so I'm winning half of these. [/ QUOTE ] I really think putting in 3BB between the turn and river is too much unless you have a retardedly crazy read on villain. You capped preflop, 3-bet the flop, and you think he's raising ATc or AQc when you lead the turn? Rob [/ QUOTE ] I think he is raising AQc or AJ on the turn. Not ATc (that slows down FOR SURE).
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