AK unimproved post h/u vs. CS?

$1/2 I've got position, I raised pre. Calling Station is utg, he checks rag board, 5.5 sb's in pot. This guy WILL call, pair or no, draw or no. Is it right to "value" bet atw unimproved, assuming he never raises? Maybe chk the river? If you know he'll call down Q high, will you win often enough to play it this way? If he raises, what do you consider? What would make you want to fold?

[Eeegah]

Depends on the board. If he calls 100% of the rivers and the board is paired then your equity with A high is over 50%. I wrote something about it a good while back, but it's going to be a bit before I can find it.

[jrz1972]

Maybe this is just me, but I rarely run across players who I "know" will call the river with just Q-high. I would want a strong read before I value bet the river.

Normally I bet the flop, bet the turn, and check down at the end.

When I said I "know", I mean this guy plays 85% pre, flop-turn is 80%, turn riv is 65%, and I've LITERALLY seen him call down Q high.

Jrz, in your "normally" statement, would you payoff his river bet after you chkd the turn?

I find a lot of players at this limit who will bet any weakness w/position, or bet it on the following round if out of position. I often call with AK unimproved and am right, often I'm not. I'm asking what you think about with big slick when you don't get anything and you're facing a loose/passive player, but one you've seen bluff into tight player weakness before.

[J. Stew]

A ragged board like T42 would be a little different than J62, is he an ultimate passive fish like 100/0? If he is really calling everything, even no draw, consistently, you can feel better value betting your fives on a T42 board than on a J62 board mainly cause there's one less over that can beat you. I'm guessing you raised near the button so I'd bet the flop and turn and maybe check the river if the board ends up T428A-ish. If he's really passive he'll peel the turn with a J8 on a T42 flop and check the turn and check turn when he catches an eight, then check the river when the A comes and will call the river so you can just take the free showdown. There's not much else you can do unless you don't wanna play 55 in what's likely to be a smallish pot.

not 55, AKo. the 5.5 is 5.5 small bets in the pot.

[imported_The Vibesman]

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Maybe this is just me, but I rarely run across players who I "know" will call the river with just Q-high. I would want a strong read before I value bet the river.

Normally I bet the flop, bet the turn, and check down at the end.

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[Buckmulligan]

In most cases it has to be right; if he is calling any bet, you are about a 2:1 favorite to be ahead after the flop because he only pairs up 1/3 of the time.

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Maybe this is just me, but I rarely run across players who I "know" will call the river with just Q-high. I would want a strong read before I value bet the river.

Normally I bet the flop, bet the turn, and check down at the end.

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When I said I "know", I mean this guy plays 85% pre, flop-turn is 80%, turn riv is 65%, and I've LITERALLY seen him call down Q high.

Jrz, in your "normally" statement, would you payoff his river bet after you chkd the turn?

I find a lot of players at this limit who will bet any weakness w/position, or bet it on the following round if out of position. I often call with AK unimproved and am right, often I'm not. I'm asking what you think about with big slick when you don't get anything and you're facing a loose/passive player, but one you've seen bluff into tight player weakness before.

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He didn't say check the turn - Bet the turn & check the riv. You have position, so your riv check closes the action. I believe this is pretty standard play in micro.