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Straightforward (?) hand from yesterday\'s PP $215
This one's been bugging me all day today. 250 left, money is at 140. Average stack is about 6k, I've got 5500.
New table, I've seen one orbit, haven't played a hand, raiser in question hasn't either. Blinds 150/300. I pick up AQo in MP, UTG+1 raises to 900. What's your move? eastbay |
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Re: Straightforward (?) hand from yesterday\'s PP $215
Folding is probably fine, I'd probably take a flop, and get all my chips in if an A or Q flops. Otherwise I'd leave a lot of my stack behind.
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Re: Straightforward (?) hand from yesterday\'s PP $215
id have to call here..i dont think raising helps since UTG will probably call this. Do you have any READ on this guy?
in absence i'd call, see flop and see what he does (use your position to your advantage). Brian |
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Re: Straightforward (?) hand from yesterday\'s PP $215
Had this back and fourth on MSN with Rizen, thought it was fairly interesting.
[ QUOTE ] KneeCoŽ says: I probably call, you? Eric says: I think calling is awful there personally I think it's push/fold at that stage with that stack KneeCoŽ says: but you have a good hand and position Eric says: in that position Eric says: you're in MP, calling allows people to come in behind you Eric says: and you'll be playing for a ~2k pot with 4.5k left Eric says: that's not much maneuvering room KneeCoŽ says: well I dont really like a push there Eric says: reasoning? KneeCoŽ says: against an UTG raiser who seems, based on very limited info, to be tight if you get called, you're probably behind or have a flip against 99-JJ and mucking AQ seems a little weak not that I dont fold that hand sometimes sometimes without a second thought Eric says: well, if your range is right, why is mucking awful? Eric says: you've pretty much just said his range is 99+ AQ+ is that accurate? KneeCoŽ says: I think thats his range for calling KneeCoŽ says: a push might get him to fold ATs/AJ and a mid pp Eric says: well, I think calling puts you in a very tough situation post-flop KneeCoŽ says: agreed Eric says: I mean it may be weak to fold AQ PF but calling then folding on the flop is weaker IMO KneeCoŽ says: I dunno, its bothering me Eric says: I dunno... I think your stack is too small to be calling raises to 900 Eric says: I think you have to push or fold KneeCoŽ says: I can see that but which? lol Eric says: with no reads on the villian, I probably push, I think pushing is +cEV there I mean unless he holds AA you're 30% at worst to win I think he folds ~35-40% of the time and I'd guess you have about 40% equity against his range when he calls KneeCoŽ says: you think my ranges were fair? Eric says: not knowing the player, yeah KneeCoŽ says: equity win / tie Hand 1: 35.5989 % [ 00.26 00.09 ] { AcQd } Hand 2: 64.4011 % [ 00.55 00.09 ] { AA-99, AKs-AQs, AKo-AQo } KneeCoŽ says: add to that the possibility of getting a fold Eric says: so it's just a question of what your FE is KneeCoŽ says: which may be offset byb the chance of running into a big hand behind you KneeCoŽ says: we don't have the other stacks in the question Eric says: it's close IMO... I wouldn't blame a person for folding there at all Eric says: I personally would say push/fold/call is the order of the moves, with push/fold being very close, and call being WAYYY behind KneeCoŽ says: so how big does your stack have to be before you can consider calling? Eric says: I think the call can be no more than 15% of your stack, and I prefer it be closer to 10% before calling with a hand like AQ or TT KneeCoŽ says: the problem I do see with calling is that you pretty much have to play fit or fold KneeCoŽ says: cause you know the cont bet is coming Eric says: yep KneeCoŽ says: and can't really play against it unless you hit Eric says: and the truth is, if you're up against AK or KK (the most likely hands that have you dominated) you're screwed if you hit anyways KneeCoŽ says: AA? Eric says: unless you hit the A vs the KK Eric says: AA is very unlikely against AQ Eric says: not impossible Eric says: but KK is about twice as likely Eric says: 6 permutations of KK, 3 of AA KneeCoŽ says: pfft online tournaments are for wimps, all this pf play [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: Straightforward (?) hand from yesterday\'s PP $215
nice post.
people should post more convo's like this. nice change of pace to read. |
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Re: Straightforward (?) hand from yesterday\'s PP $215
I agree with Rizen; calling is awful.
My default play is to fold and I don't think pushing is good vs. that range at all, mostly because it's a razor thin push (assuming a tight -but not very tight- range) *before* factoring in people calling behind you. Also, vs. guys like me that are hyper aware of position and stack size and will sometimes open fold hands like KQ/AJ up front, that push would suck. |
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