BB Small Flush

Jorge10 · #1 11-23-2005, 10:39 PM

1/2 on Empire.

Preflop: I got 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the BB. 5 folds, 1 call, 1 more fold, SB completes, I check.

Flop: 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 in the middle)

SB checks, I bet, late position guy calls, SB calls.

Turn: K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img](6 in the middle)

SB checks, I bet, late position guy raises, SB calls 2 bets cold, I call.

River: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img](18 in the middle)

SB checks, I bet, late position guy raises, SB calls 2 cold again, I 3 bet, late position guy caps, SB calls 2 cold again, I call.

I think I screwed up in a few places dont know where. Also no reads on the guys I had just sat down.

#2 11-23-2005, 10:47 PM

Check the flop. You need both to call your bet for you to have gained. No chance you know that will happen. You should feel sick if LP raises & SB folds. You lucked out with the heart on the turn. If it doesn't hit, what would you have done?

3-bet the turn and call a cap.

As you played it, you should not 3-bet the river, IMO.

Augster · #3 11-23-2005, 10:56 PM

I'd C/R the flop. If it checks through, that's okay as you are on the draw anyway. I imagine betting out has some fold equity. I still like the C/R.

I 3-bet the turn, call a cap, then call down on that river. They are calling with something, and if the limper had K9/KT you are up against a house already.

With a 4th [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the river, I could see laying it down.

3-bet the turn, call a cap and C/C or Bet/call the river.

Jorge10 · #4 11-23-2005, 10:58 PM

Forgot results, SB had Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] for the straight, and late position guy had K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], trip kings.

It just seemed like I misplayed this hand badly.

Jorge10 · #5 11-23-2005, 11:03 PM

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I'd C/R the flop. If it checks through, that's okay as you are on the draw anyway. I imagine betting out has some fold equity. I still like the C/R.

I 3-bet the turn, call a cap, then call down on that river. They are calling with something, and if the limper had K9/KT you are up against a house already.

With a 4th [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the river, I could see laying it down.

3-bet the turn, call a cap and C/C or Bet/call the river.

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Now this line I like, makes more sense than my, ill just bet whenever I feel like it method.

#6 11-23-2005, 11:06 PM

I think a flop check/raise is bad unless the bet comes from the LP & the SB calls AND they both will call your raise. Even when the stars align, the EV is thin. I think you need more than the probable flush outs to be check raising this one.

Jorge10 · #7 11-23-2005, 11:10 PM

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I think a flop check/raise is bad unless the bet comes from the LP & the SB calls AND they both will call your raise. Even when the stars align, the EV is thin. I think you need more than the probable flush outs to be check raising this one.

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Ok so check call is the way to go? Everyone has recommended checking so far. The reason I bet out was because only me and 2 others were in the hand, and one was the small blind, so I figured its worth taking a shot at stealing.

Is this thinking flawed?

Augster · #8 11-23-2005, 11:21 PM

Where else is the bet going to come from, the SB has already checked. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] If the SB calls the limpers bet, then I'd C/R for sure.

If the SB folds, it'd be a bit closer, but a C/R flop, Bet out on the turn, even unimproved, against one player NOT holding the K will most likely take down the pot.

#9 11-23-2005, 11:26 PM

You have about 35% equity at this point (chance of winning the showdown) .. or about 2 to 1 against. Thus, for every chip you put in on this round, you need your opponents to match that by at least a 2 to 1 ratio in order to profit. By betting first into 2 opponents, you are in no way going to get that on average. In fact, the maximum ratio you can achieve with 2 opponents is 2 to 1. You nead at least that.

#10 11-23-2005, 11:28 PM

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If the SB folds, it'd be a bit closer, but a C/R flop, Bet out on the turn, even unimproved, against one player NOT holding the K will most likely take down the pot.

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That's a lot to hope for without a read that the limper will bet without any piece of the board (or a draw that dominates yours), right? See my post above.