I need to learn how to check OOP

Roy6 · #1 11-13-2005, 09:36 AM

Villain is 17/15 after 80 hands.
Turn bet is rather awful, isn't it?
After being raised I think it's better to muck, since I put him on AQ/QK very often.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 folds, CO raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, CO calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (4.17 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

River: (8.17 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.17 BB.

Spicymoose · #2 11-13-2005, 09:39 AM

You have to bet this turn, good job. That said, you have to fold the turn.

I see no other way to play.

TheMetetron · #3 11-13-2005, 09:40 AM

Fold to the turn raise. Other than that you are fine.

I'll occassionally check/call this turn and river if someone is getting aggro with me.

Roy6 · #4 11-13-2005, 09:46 AM

Could you elaborate why the turn bet is superior?
He never folds a better hand and if I give a free card to AJ or ATs then let it be.

TheMetetron · #5 11-13-2005, 09:52 AM

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Could you elaborate why the turn bet is superior?
He never folds a better hand and if I give a free card to AJ or ATs then let it be.

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You don't want him to freeroll to 6 outs (his range is wider than AJ for opening from the CO), nor have to pay off the turn/river against a better hand that will value bet you (or have to fold to a hand that will bluff you if you just check to them).

Split HUSH please?

Spicymoose · #6 11-13-2005, 09:54 AM

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Could you elaborate why the turn bet is superior?
He never folds a better hand and if I give a free card to AJ or ATs then let it be.

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Giving a free cards to those specific hands wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. But, what about all the hands you don't have dominated? These hands have have 6 outs against you, which is way to many to be giving free cards to.

Roy6 · #7 11-13-2005, 11:23 AM

I don't see much hands that are worse than mine and have 6 outs.

Spicymoose · #8 11-13-2005, 11:31 AM

You are right, the majority of hands you are beating have about 14 outs or 10 outs. JT, J8, J6 are a few. Remember, he was trying to steal from the CO, so who knows what his range might be. KT and KJ both have 7 outs.

Roy6 · #9 11-13-2005, 11:36 AM

17/15 is rather tight PFR and was 3-bet preflop from the blind. I don't think he would peel with the abovementioned hands. (KTs maybe)

Spicymoose · #10 11-13-2005, 11:45 AM

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17/15 is rather tight PFR and was 3-bet preflop from the blind. I don't think he would peel with the abovementioned hands. (KTs maybe)

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17/15 may be tight, but this is a blind stealing situation. Since you didn't mention his ASB, we have no idea how liberally he steals. Also, people love to peel on the flop, even if it was 3-bet.