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#1
10-31-2005, 06:10 PM
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Common flop situations
I've been folding situations like this on the flop fairly often but I can't seem to recollect why, just been doing it by instinct lately. I also tend to avoid spots like these when I'm 6-8tabling, is that a leak?
Typical Partypoker 30-60, 10 Handed Situation #1 Preflop: Hero is SB with J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, all fold, button calls, Hero complete, BB checks. Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5sb) Hero check, BB check, UTG+1 check, UTG+2 bets, button folds, Hero folds... Situation #2 Preflop: Hero is SB with J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] UTG+1 calls, all fold, CO calls, Hero completes, BB check. Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4sb) Hero check, BB check, UTG+1 check, CO bets, Hero folds... someone care to refresh my memory please. RE-EDIT: would it be any different if you were BB? 
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#4
10-31-2005, 06:23 PM
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Re: Common flop situations
those both seem like terrible folds to me.
but then, both those preflop calls seem pretty terrible. but then, i don't play 30-60. maybe i'm missing something.
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#5
10-31-2005, 06:24 PM
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Re: Common flop situations
i don't see how the same person reconciles completing J6o in a 1/2 sb mid-limit game and folding open ends on the flop
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#6
10-31-2005, 06:31 PM
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Re: Common flop situations
[ QUOTE ]
I've been folding situations like this on the flop fairly often but I can't seem to recollect why, just been doing it by instinct lately. I also tend to avoid spots like these when I'm 6-8tabling, is that a leak? Typical Partypoker 30-60, 10 Handed Situation #1 Preflop: Hero is SB with J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, all fold, button calls, Hero complete, BB checks. Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5sb) Hero check, BB check, UTG+1 check, UTG+2 bets, button folds, Hero folds... Situation #2 Preflop: Hero is SB with J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] UTG+1 calls, all fold, CO calls, Hero completes, BB check. Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4sb) Hero check, BB check, UTG+1 check, CO bets, Hero folds... someone care to refresh my memory please. EDIT: something about reverse implied odds... mmmmm.. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] In a 2/3 blind structure i think its close between calling and folding. I'm not sure but I think party 30-60 might be a $15 sb??? If it is its easily a fold. On the flop your getting 5-1 and 6-1 with each time a flush draw on the flop with 3 and 2 people to act behind you. So you have 6 clean outs, neither to the nuts and most of the time if there are 3 or more people calling the flop your calling to chop. I fold both on the flop, I dont think its very close.
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#7
10-31-2005, 06:31 PM
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Re: Common flop situations
Why did you bother to complete this trash? Hell if I did; I'm betting out on that flop.
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#8
10-31-2005, 06:36 PM
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Re: Common flop situations
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I'm betting out on that flop. [/ QUOTE ] i think betting this flop sucks bad. "first to get raised" position, no hand, dubious draw, and the entire flop is in the strike zone of playable cards.
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#9
10-31-2005, 06:39 PM
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Re: Common flop situations
I had a good feeling these hands might be mistakes, since I have good equity in the pot with open-ender.
This particular situation where I flop open-ended from SB on a broadway flush board with a decent sized field this fold was very questionable, maybe I was running particularly bad the other night and I noticed folding these and wondered why I am doing so. Then again I've been playing like a robot the past 6 weeks, clocking over 100k hands and I'm making some mistakes here and there like this one. Thanks guys for the clarification... Just needed some fellow 2+2ers to yell at me! Leak has been plugged..
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