Check-raised again

[cold_cash]

Villian here and just sat down, but in the few hands he played he showed some aggression.

I'd like to know what your guys' preferred line is from the turn on.

5 handed

Folded to you in the CO. You raise Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

3 to the flop, 6 small bets

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds

Heads up to the turn, 4 big bets

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises...


7:1 to call the check-raise.

4:1 to get to showdown.

[Jaran]

If you wanna stop getting c/r'ed, stop betting [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

Without a more exact read, I think any line is going to be a guess. Is he savvy enough to cr a hand like J9 or A3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] here HU? My default line is non-existent here. W/O a read, I play by my gut (isn't that awful?) and call down if I feel it and fold if I don't. Here I would guess at a calldown, what with him being aggressive (and I also get to see what he defends his BB with).

-Jaran

edited for spelling

BB or SB folds?
If he showed some aggression 1:4 is good for me. I call him down with TPGK.

[WalkAmongUs]

I reraise the turn. If BB is aggressive, he may be figuring you for a pushing a draw. When the draw didn't come in he might be trying to punish you, figuring you now only have one card to catch the flush, therefore making his equity much bigger if he has a pair.

The things i consider he might have are QJ, Q10, 77, and 33. I would think an aggressive player might have reraised you with QK or AQ before the flop since its 5 handed.

If I'm capped on the turn I check/call river. If he just calls my 3 bet I'd bet out on river (if a safecard falls) and PROBABLY call a raise.

Edit: Is BB tricky enough to call your raise PF with junk to set up a bluff if the flop looks like a good spot?

[Jaran]

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I reraise the turn. If BB is aggressive, he may be figuring you for a pushing a draw. When the draw didn't come in he might be trying to punish you, figuring you now only have one card to catch the flush, therefore making his equity much bigger if he has a pair.

The things i consider he might have are QJ, Q10, 77, and 33. I would think an aggressive player might have reraised you with QK or AQ before the flop since its 5 handed.

If I'm capped on the turn I check/call river. If he just calls my 3 bet I'd bet out on river (if a safecard falls) and PROBABLY call a raise.

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It seems to me you're putting in a whole lotta bets with a marginal made hand here. The read was aggressive, not maniac. But I'm willing to listen if you can convince me otherwise.

-Jaran

[WalkAmongUs]

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It seems to me you're putting in a whole lotta bets with a marginal made hand here. The read was aggressive, not maniac. But I'm willing to listen if you can convince me otherwise.

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I would think this hand is better than marginal when playing 5 handed. I don't play shorthanded too much though...

If BB has a hand like A7 or Q9s he might have put you on a draw and figured he should wait till the turn to raise a safe card when his equity advantage was larger. Thats a pure guess though.

He may have Q10 and hit two pair.

If BB is a decent player then I might reraise the turn and fold if he caps knowing I'm definitely beat.

Like you said...its almost a guess. I'd have to have a feel for BB and some reads.

[milesdyson]

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I reraise the turn.

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maniac


cash: yeah i'm calling down here until i know the guy.

[cold_cash]

What about 3-betting the turn and checking behind on the river?

[milesdyson]

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What about 3-betting the turn and checking behind on the river?

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if he is bluffing you stand to lose a bet from him if he would continue it on the river.

if he has a really good hand you're going to lose at least two more bets in this hand.

if he has a hand that slightly beats you, you're still going to lose the same as you would by calling down.

if he has a hand you beat, calling here and calling the river or betting when checked to nets you the same amount as 3-betting and checking behind.

[WalkAmongUs]

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if he has a really good hand you're going to lose at least two more bets in this hand.

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only if you are not capable of folding. Depending on my read if I reraise and he caps I'll fold knowing for sure I'm beat.