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Old 11-03-2005, 08:25 PM
Chaostracize Chaostracize is offline
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Default Is there value to raising river? 400 nl

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UTG ($116)
MP ($352.30)
CO ($203)
Button ($572.40)
SB ($430.90)
Hero ($390)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB (poster) completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, SB calls $12.

Flop: ($32) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $30</font>, SB calls $30.

Turn: ($92) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $90</font>, SB calls $60.

River: ($272) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $90</font>, Hero calls $90.

Final Pot: $452
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Old 11-03-2005, 08:30 PM
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Default Re: Is there value to raising river? 600 nl

I'm kind of torn on this. If it were on the spot, before I've(now) thought about it, I'd raise, not sure how much, but after some thought.....villain has bet ~1/3 pot on turn and river, which to me looks weak, however, could be trying to trap you, and if he is just trying to buy it, he'll lay down to a raise, so I think your call on the river was the best move.
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Old 11-03-2005, 08:32 PM
HoldEmKillah HoldEmKillah is offline
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Default Re: Is there value to raising river? 600 nl

Looks like a block bet to me. Raise it up. Btw, why did you miniraise preflop?
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Old 11-03-2005, 08:33 PM
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Default Re: Is there value to raising river? 600 nl

I think he has A with a big spade or AJ. I'm sure if I raised this river he would have JJ though.
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Old 11-03-2005, 08:34 PM
Dominic Dominic is offline
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Default Re: Is there value to raising river? 600 nl

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I'm kind of torn on this. If it were on the spot, before I've(now) thought about it, I'd raise, not sure how much, but after some thought.....villain has bet ~1/3 pot on turn and river, which to me looks weak, however, could be trying to trap you, and if he is just trying to buy it, he'll lay down to a raise, so I think your call on the river was the best move.

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A raise is not for value here, as he will not call with a weaker hand.
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Old 11-03-2005, 08:40 PM
Chaostracize Chaostracize is offline
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Default Re: Is there value to raising river? 600 nl

Ugh. This one was my 400 nl table. I suck. Put this on the wrong forum.

Edit: I did it on my fastplay thread, too. I'm good at clogging the forum, huh?
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Old 11-03-2005, 08:49 PM
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Default Re: Is there value to raising river? 400 nl

FVCKING HELL YES.
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Old 11-03-2005, 08:53 PM
Chaostracize Chaostracize is offline
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Default Re: Is there value to raising river? 400 nl

I love you flawless. Thanks.

Edit: Got an amount to raise to?
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Old 11-03-2005, 09:04 PM
FoxwoodsFiend FoxwoodsFiend is offline
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Default Re: Is there value to raising river? 400 nl

I think villain's holdings would be clearer if you raised bigger on the turn, and this question would be easier to answer.
As it is, I probably just call. I figure this is one of two things. It is a donk slowplaying figuring he's outplaying you by extracting 90 more bucks with a flush. In this case, it is obviously not a raising situation.
OR it is a decent player throwing out a blocking bet with a set or two pair. But the whole point of the block bet is to fold to a substantial raise, so if you raise any decent amount you're not getting called if villain has a worse hand.
The only benefit is making a small raise when opponent has a worse hand and is block-betting, but this is outweighed by how often this will be a flush.
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Old 11-03-2005, 09:09 PM
flawless_victory flawless_victory is offline
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Default Re: Is there value to raising river? 400 nl

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Edit: Got an amount to raise to?

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two things are obvious.
-you have him beat
-he is scared

so just make it like 120 more... use $60 of this free money to purchase and ship me a bottle of vodka for the advice. thx.
BTW/ your location is dope. haha.
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