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10-31-2005, 06:54 PM
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Re: Quick Preflop question
3%= AA-JJ/AK, guess that makes it a fold. Also he opens from UTG which should mean he's range is even tighter. I don't think we can outplay this range postflop.
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#3
10-31-2005, 06:56 PM
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Re: Quick Preflop question
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3%= AA-JJ/AK, guess that makes it a fold. Also he opens from UTG which should mean he's range is even tighter. I don't think we can outplay this range postflop. [/ QUOTE ] He is passive postflop which makes him predictable though.
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#4
10-31-2005, 07:09 PM
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Re: Quick Preflop question
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[ QUOTE ] 3%= AA-JJ/AK, guess that makes it a fold. Also he opens from UTG which should mean he's range is even tighter. I don't think we can outplay this range postflop. [/ QUOTE ] He is passive postflop which makes him predictable though. [/ QUOTE ] Fold to an UTG raise with AKo. My post sounds ridiculous. Irl I raise and feel smart. If we have reason to expect he has rigid raising standards preflop I think folding is ok, but I've seen a lot of players with very low pfr raising crap because they're inconsequent. We'll outflop QQ/JJ ~32% and KK ~18% and AA almost never. If we miss the flop I don't think we can call down hoping for a split. At the same time this player might not bet missed AK postflop. If we 3-bet preflop we might even be able to play him off AK, but I doubt it. I think we need to give up on the turn often. I'm tired. Take my advice fwiw...
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#5
10-31-2005, 07:13 PM
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Re: Quick Preflop question
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 3%= AA-JJ/AK, guess that makes it a fold. Also he opens from UTG which should mean he's range is even tighter. I don't think we can outplay this range postflop. [/ QUOTE ] He is passive postflop which makes him predictable though. [/ QUOTE ] Fold to an UTG raise with AKo. My post sounds ridiculous. Irl I raise and feel smart. If we have reason to expect he has rigid raising standards preflop I think folding is ok, but I've seen a lot of players with very low pfr raising crap because they're inconsequent. We'll outflop QQ/JJ ~32% and KK ~18% and AA almost never. If we miss the flop I don't think we can call down hoping for a split. At the same time this player might not bet missed AK postflop. If we 3-bet preflop we might even be able to play him off AK, but I doubt it. I think we need to give up on the turn often. I'm tired. Take my advice fwiw... [/ QUOTE ] If I had a better postflop read (like if I knew he'd pay me off with QQ or JJ after I flop a pair), I'd play this, probably threebet. I'd call if I knew I'd get some guaranteed calls behind. In retrospect, a fold is probably best though. He had JJ. Flop was Ace high. He check/called me to the river and MHIG
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#6
10-31-2005, 07:22 PM
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Re: Quick Preflop question
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 3%= AA-JJ/AK, guess that makes it a fold. Also he opens from UTG which should mean he's range is even tighter. I don't think we can outplay this range postflop. [/ QUOTE ] He is passive postflop which makes him predictable though. [/ QUOTE ] Fold to an UTG raise with AKo. My post sounds ridiculous. Irl I raise and feel smart. If we have reason to expect he has rigid raising standards preflop I think folding is ok, but I've seen a lot of players with very low pfr raising crap because they're inconsequent. We'll outflop QQ/JJ ~32% and KK ~18% and AA almost never. If we miss the flop I don't think we can call down hoping for a split. At the same time this player might not bet missed AK postflop. If we 3-bet preflop we might even be able to play him off AK, but I doubt it. I think we need to give up on the turn often. I'm tired. Take my advice fwiw... [/ QUOTE ] If I had a better postflop read (like if I knew he'd pay me off with QQ or JJ after I flop a pair), I'd play this, probably threebet. I'd call if I knew I'd get some guaranteed calls behind. In retrospect, a fold is probably best though. He had JJ. Flop was Ace high. He check/called me to the river and MHIG [/ QUOTE ] If this is the way he'll play JJ after a 3-bet preflop I think 3-betting preflop is fine. I'll bet the flop UI if checked to. If checked to on the turn I'll take a freecard UI, this player don't seem likely to bluff me on the river with AK. Otherwise I'm folding this the turn to aggression UI, I think our earlier aggression will keep him calm with QQ/JJ, and even against these hands we don't have the odds to draw. Against AA/KK we certainly don't have the odds to draw.
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#7
10-31-2005, 06:59 PM
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Re: Quick Preflop question
If you get a couple cold callers i think this is an ok call. We can release it fast because he is passive.
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#8
10-31-2005, 07:19 PM
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Re: Quick Preflop question
I think the answer to this completely depends on how straightforward/passive he is postflop.
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#9
10-31-2005, 07:28 PM
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Re: Quick Preflop question
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I think the answer to this completely depends on how straightforward/passive he is postflop. [/ QUOTE ] You're right, against someone who had the same preflop stats and was aggro I'd fold.
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