Quick turn decision heads up with OESD and weak flush draw

private joker · #1 10-28-2005, 04:48 AM

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 7 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.40 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (2.20 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

No read on villain. What's my turn line? I'm not crazy about checking, but I'm not crazy about bet/calling either. I'm not crazy about bet/folding. Basically I hate all my options.

toss · #2 10-28-2005, 04:52 AM

I'd just bet again and hope villain folds. I hate check/folding and check/calling. If we get raised then we probably have enough to call.

hobbsmann · #3 10-28-2005, 04:53 AM

I think check/calling is the way to go with the intention of donking a diamon/straight river. If the river is a 9 I guess I bet/fold, bet/call a 4, and bet/fold a diamond (I'm unsure about this). Either way I don't like your turn choices either.

Nick C · #4 10-28-2005, 05:35 AM

I would quickly decide whether to bet or check and then go with that decision.

I can't think of much in the way of hands (if I were UTG+1) that I would have called with on the flop that I'd fold now, but Villain isn't me. Maybe he'll dump 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or something. (And I guess I might've played that way with a diamondless 66, actually.)

If I checked, I would call a bet. If I bet and got raised, I would probably call but would hate doing it.

private joker · #5 10-28-2005, 03:49 PM

The pot is so small that I'm wondering if I even have odds to call a bet if I check. He would be offering me 3.2:1, and if I don't have the best hand, I have 6 straight outs that don't put a 4-flush out, and 9 flush outs that give me a 6-high flush. Plus, do I have any implied odds? Will he call a river bet if a 4th diamond appears? If a diamond comes, I may have to bet/fold, giving me bad reverse-implied odds.

The more I think about this hand, as weak as it sounds, check-folding the turn could be correct. That's not what I did, though.

brettbrettr · #6 10-28-2005, 03:51 PM

You should scream "Its my Birthday, bitch" and bet. Happy birthday.

SeaEagle · #7 10-28-2005, 03:55 PM

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I have 6 straight outs that don't put a 4-flush out, and 9 flush outs that give me a 6-high flush.

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And 3 of your 6 straight outs put 4 to a higher straight on board.

The pot is tiny. You probably have RIO. I'd check/fold.

Borodog · #8 10-28-2005, 03:55 PM

For that crappy little pot, I check-fold.

BigBrother · #9 10-28-2005, 04:01 PM

Pot is small enough that I don't hate c/f here.

b/f is an option if you think he might fold, but sets you up to get played-back at more often in the future.

I think reverse implied odds kill your EV on c/c.

I'm not crazy about getting called and having to deal with the river either.

pokernicus · #10 10-28-2005, 04:05 PM

In a vacuum, probably check/fold this, unless UTG+1 is passive and I think there's reasonable fold equity. The pot is small, and some of your outs could give your opponent a better hand. (This is one of those cases where you might even hope that you don't hit your outs because then you might lose a lot more!)