TPBK - How Are My Lines?

#1 10-26-2005, 07:22 PM

I'm Still trying to apply the fundamentals and I want to see how I'm doing. Please critique all streets:

Table overall is 21/9 over 80 hands. Way too tight for my normal taste but I was up 15 BB and playing well overall.

UTG+1 is 22/10/2.0 over 50 hands
MP3 is on his first orbit.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $0.50.
Hero raises, UTG+1 3-bets, 2 folds, MP3 (poster) calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

 I would normally only call AJo UTG but I made a nOOb mistake and thought I was in MP so I bet not seeing any raise in front. I called the 3-bet since I had already committed the first bet. 

Flop: (15 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP3 3-bets, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

 I flop TPB(est)K and figure I’ve got the advantage now so I led because I’m pretty sure UTG+1 will re-raise. I didn’t expect the 3-bet from MP3 so I only call thinking he must have a high PP that he was slowplaying, maybe even the other 2 J’s. 

Turn: (15 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP3 raises, SB calls, BB folds, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.

 I see the possible [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] flush draws on the board so I am prepared to c/c here given I’m OOP but figuring since the pot is huge I still have odds to call. 

River: (22 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, SB folds, Hero 3-bets, MP3 caps, Hero calls.

 The 3rd J falls and now I know that MP3 doesn’t have but 1 J at most and I’ve got the A kicker. I fire way til I call the cap. 

Final Pot: 30 BB

Including the nOObish mis-raise pre-flop, I didn’t feel good playing this one. Was I too weak on the flop and turn? Did I misread something? One flaw I know for sure was that I wasn't paying any attention to the overcallers. Thanks!

Shillx · #2 10-26-2005, 07:27 PM

Do you understand how little that last jack helps you here? It changes just about nothing in this hand. This hand will hopefully get a good discussion going since there are lots of interesting things to talk about here.

Edited to say that the flop play is interesting and it would be nice to see if betting out is better then checking. I honestly dunno here.

milesdyson · #3 10-26-2005, 07:28 PM

funny that the street you seem to feel (most) bad about is the only street i like. nice preflop raise.

wouldn't bet flop, wouldn't coldcall two on turn, wouldn't 3-bet river.

#4 10-26-2005, 07:32 PM

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Do you understand how little that last jack helps you here?

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Now I do. At the time, no. It wasn't until I sat down and drafted this post, reviewing it street by street did a lot of this become clear to me. The process of breaking these hands down for posting is extremely helpful. I hope alot comes out of it too!

#5 10-26-2005, 07:41 PM

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Are we thinking that someone flopped a set and therefore made the boat on the river? I would have thought someone 3-betting 22 or 55 PF was unlikely.

numeri · #6 10-26-2005, 07:45 PM

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Do you understand how little that last jack helps you here?

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Are we thinking that someone flopped a set and therefore made the boat on the river? I would have thought someone 3-betting 22 or 55 PF was unlikely.

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It's MP3 we're worried about, not UTG+1. Well, we're worried about UTG+1, too, but MP3 is even scarier.

Shillx · #7 10-26-2005, 07:46 PM

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Are we thinking that someone flopped a set and therefore made the boat on the river? I would have thought someone 3-betting 22 or 55 PF was unlikely.

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The PF 3-bettor folded. The 2nd jack would be a great card if he were the villian. As it stands, the guy we are facing probably flopped 2-pair and made a boat on the river or flopped a set and made a boat on the river. If he has 52 and flopped 2 pair, he isn't going to go crazy with it on the river.

Brad

#8 10-26-2005, 07:58 PM

Grunch,

I think you misread the hand. I had to read it a couple of times before I think I figured it out. Pre-flop, you thought you were in MP, so I won't comment.

Flop, you bet with TP and a good kicker, UTG+1 raises telling me he's got AA-QQ, flush draw or a set, when MP3 3-bets, I pretty certain he has a set outside chance of a flush draw, but my guess would be 5's. Hard to put the SB on a hand since he's so passive. At this point I drop this thing.

River: yeah it adds a spade flush draw, but mostly I'd figure it's a blank for UTG+1 and MP3, The strong action now REALLY makes me think that at least one set is out there.

Ugly, but I can't say I haven't made the same mistake.

#9 10-26-2005, 08:01 PM

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The PF 3-bettor folded...

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Gotcha. So we most likely put villain on 55 or 22 given that it was 2 back to him when he called PF?

#10 10-26-2005, 08:13 PM

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wouldn't bet flop, wouldn't coldcall two on turn, wouldn't 3-bet river.

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I can understand the turn and river comments. Are we not betting here because it's likely that someone has an overpair? Could we check and raise/call if it's only 1 back to us?