$10r 45k, JJ near the bubble, AKA why I suck at NL

Surfbullet · #1 10-24-2005, 01:34 AM

Table was tight for awhile, but steals have started to open up the past 20 mins or so. Players have re-steal'ed on me about 4-5x in the past 4 orbits. I've laid down to a push every time.

edit: 230 left, top 135 get paid. avg stack = 43k, but my table is particularly chip-heavy.

Why can't I go with my gut? I hate my play in this hand.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1600 (9 handed) converter

Hero (t37026)
MP3 (t8923)
CO (t61862)
Button (t42770)
SB (t37980)
BB (t23977)
UTG (t72588)
UTG+1 (t49538)
MP1 (t83135)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t4800, 2 folds, Button raises to t12800, 2 folds, Hero calls t8000.

Flop: (t26125) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t24151 (All-In)...

Surf

LethalRose · #2 10-24-2005, 01:41 AM

push preflop.

billyjex · #3 10-24-2005, 01:49 AM

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Surfbullet · #4 10-24-2005, 01:50 AM

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I think it's closer to a fold than a push PF. The resteals have all been Allins...why would he leave 2/3rd of his stack behind? he's pot-committing himself, which he wouldn't do with AK/AQ because the flop makes or breaks him. In fact, I don't see why this isn't a clear fold. postflop seems standard given pot size etc.

Surf

#5 10-24-2005, 01:53 AM

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I think it's closer to a fold than a push PF. The resteals have all been Allins...why would he leave 2/3rd of his stack behind? he's pot-committing himself, which he wouldn't do with AK/AQ because the flop makes or breaks him. In fact, I don't see why this isn't a clear fold. postflop seems standard given pot size etc.

Surf

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I think this is slightly results oriented. Many make this play with A3o.

Surfbullet · #6 10-24-2005, 02:02 AM

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I think it's closer to a fold than a push PF. The resteals have all been Allins...why would he leave 2/3rd of his stack behind? he's pot-committing himself, which he wouldn't do with AK/AQ because the flop makes or breaks him. In fact, I don't see why this isn't a clear fold. postflop seems standard given pot size etc.

Surf

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I think this is slightly results oriented. Many make this play with A3o.

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That may be so.

But he's raising 12.8k into an ~8kish pot. This isn't a "please fold!" reraise. All i'd seen were allin resteals... it doesn't make sense as a resteal?

Surf

ZBTHorton · #7 10-24-2005, 02:04 AM

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Exitonly · #8 10-24-2005, 02:06 AM

while i don't think it's quite as clear as everyone else, i think it's a push PF too.

benneh · #9 10-24-2005, 02:07 AM

why cant a non-all in be a resteal? you've laid down enough to all ins by now that i'd be willing to see how much it costs to raise you out of a pot without risking my entire (or your entire stack) to jerk you around

LethalRose · #10 10-24-2005, 02:12 AM

Reasons why I push preflop

1) with 20 or so BB if you call this reraise your OOP and have no room to play poker

2) you have been pushed around a little bit and you need to show these players you are not afraid of a coinflip or making a stand. Some players as it gets closer to the money get bullied over by the big stacks and are afraid to call AI for all their chips with AQ. You just have to do it sometimes.

If you plan on folding to a reraise a smaller bet preflop would do the trick, calling the reraise is bad, push preflop.

by pushing this flop 80% you will get called by someone who got a queen. Get your money in as a favorite preflop, dont let them get away when they miss with overcards.

unfortunately with online MTT's at some point you have to be willing to take a coinflop or 60/40. Dont think the better players can avoid this, with the structures the way they are its very difficult if not impossible to win a MTT without winning a coinflip. If you play well you can minimize the # of flips you need to win.