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#1
10-20-2005, 11:33 AM
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you don\'t have it either, do you b*tch? or... do you?
bear with me, i'm just just learning this silly game.
i limped because this game was incredibly passive preflop. on flop his call told me mid pair or draw. so is this standard, chip spew, good play, just plain stupid, what? Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls. Flop: (8.40 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, BB folds, UTG folds. Turn: (5.20 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font> 
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#2
10-20-2005, 11:40 AM
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Re: you don\'t have it either, do you b*tch? or... do you?
yuck. I've been trying similarly clever things. My FPS has led me to a nice 70 BB downswing in my first 2,500 hands of 5/10. It sucks when I make this play and it sucks when you make it, too (unless I'm your opponent.) [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
[ QUOTE ] on flop his call told me mid pair or draw or top pair weak kicker [/ QUOTE ] Since when does a passive player raise a turn with mid pair? (I'm assuming he's passive because you said the game was fairly passive and you didn't include any reads on this player.) I just don't see it. Your 3-bet here commits you to showdown even if you miss the flush draw, and I think your king high is good here almost never. I don't see him folding this nearly enough times to make it profitable.
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#3
10-20-2005, 11:42 AM
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Re: you don\'t have it either, do you b*tch? or... do you?
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on flop his call told me mid pair or draw. [/ QUOTE ] Or a weak queen or a strong hand waiting to raise on the turn. [ QUOTE ] so is this standard, chip spew, good play, just plain stupid, what? [/ QUOTE ] Against passive opponents this is spewing, just call the raise and fold the river unimproved. (I might call on the river if I pair up, but that's read dependant) You'll never get anyone to fold a queen and you're investing far too many chips to fold out a hand you have decent outs to improve against. There is no need to go into a battle of wills in a small pot against loose and passive opponents.
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#4
10-20-2005, 11:48 AM
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Re: you don\'t have it either, do you b*tch? or... do you?
ok i said they were passive preflop btw... i'm not saying you guys are wrong since i honestly just want advice never playing limit... but passive preflop is a different world than passive in general.
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#5
10-20-2005, 11:51 AM
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Re: you don\'t have it either, do you b*tch? or... do you?
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ok i said they were passive preflop btw... i'm not saying you guys are wrong since i honestly just want advice never playing limit... but passive preflop is a different world than passive in general. [/ QUOTE ] This is why you should include reads in your post. We don't know what these players are like other than they are passive preflop. Against a typical player your move in spewing. Include reads if you have a reason to think otherwise.
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#7
10-20-2005, 12:09 PM
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Re: you don\'t have it either, do you b*tch? or... do you?
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ok i said they were passive preflop btw... i'm not saying you guys are wrong since i honestly just want advice never playing limit... but passive preflop is a different world than passive in general. [/ QUOTE ] fair enough, but it's rare to see loose passive donks suddenly spring to life as TAGs postflop. What I said still stands tho, bottom line is people almost never raise the turn in that spot with a worse hand. So without a stellar read this is spewing. <disclaimer: over simplified> The trick to beating small stakes fixed limit isn't trying to push people off hands, it's making a decent to great hand and value betting their pants off and being wary when they show aggression. You will occasionally meet over-aggressive donks, but you'll know them when you see them, against them you bet and raise with you good to great hands and go to showdown with the rest and let them bet their hopeless draws and ten-high. </disclaimer> You're investing a lot of bets here, when you're most likely behind. People who raise the turn HU in limit are going to showdown most of the time.
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#8
10-20-2005, 12:12 PM
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Re: you don\'t have it either, do you b*tch? or... do you?
What's your screenname?
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#9
10-20-2005, 12:28 PM
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Re: you don\'t have it either, do you b*tch? or... do you?
I think the 3 bet on the turn is very bad. No one will ever fold any draw or made hand - this isn't no limit.
If you are going to bluff, the river would be better place, since he might fold an ace high flush draw. I wouldn't recommend it though. I do like the turn bet though. The pre-flop limp is fine.
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#10
10-20-2005, 12:28 PM
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Re: you don\'t have it either, do you b*tch? or... do you?
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What's your screenname? [/ QUOTE ] Why do people still feel this is a clever response? Why did they ever feel it's an appropriate response? Is it because of the anonymoity of the Internet? Would you do this in real life? Stop it. She came her for help, and that's in general what people are doing. You want to tell someone they played badly? Fine, but do it in a constructive way. Go check out her reputation in the NL forum.
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