I call this right??

[LotsOfOuts69]

Wanted to try out the ten-table thing on party so I fired up 10 $20+2's.

Anyway sorry for not converting, assuming no reads....

#Game No : 2889304531
***** Hand History for Game 2889304531 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:16651993 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, October 17, 01:46:32 EDT 2005
Table Table 66979 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 9: DGip1106 ( $2510 )
Seat 10: TITANIC777 ( $2275 )
Seat 1: LotsOfOuts69 ( $2225 )
Seat 4: mr_burrit0 ( $990 )
Trny:16651993 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to LotsOfOuts69 [ Qd Qh ]
mr_burrit0 folds.
DGip1106 is all-In [2510]
TITANIC777 folds.
LotsOfOuts69 is all-In [2025]

** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, 6h, 3c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]

Results in white:
<font color="white"> LotsOfOuts69 shows [ Qd, Qh ] two pairs, queens and sixes.
DGip1106 shows [ Jh, Ks ] two pairs, kings and sixes.
DGip1106 wins 285 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, kings and sixes.
DGip1106 wins 4550 chips from the main pot with two pairs, kings and sixes.
LotsOfOuts69 finished in fourth place.
</font>

In addition, if you say call, would you fold if the short stack had less chips? How low would he have to be?

[mmbt0ne]

Without any other kind of read:

I'm calling with QQ+, AK. I'm folding JJ, and everything else.

[Karak567]

You might not know it and you may have unconsciously tried to do a good job of disguising this, but by posting results you confirmed that this is a bad beat post.

Very, very easy call.

I'd call because odds are you're a big favorite, which you were. Maybe if the short stack had &lt;4 BBs, I'd fold and wait. But by calling this, you're putting yourself in great shape to win, not just coast into the money.

[LotsOfOuts69]

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You might not know it and you may have unconsciously tried to do a good job of disguising this, but by posting results you confirmed that this is a bad beat post.

Very, very easy call.

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Dude, if I wanted to make a bad beat post, I would have included this and 128164374814612 other hands I've played in the last week.

I didn't even consider this a "bad" beat, I knew before calling that the guy probably had at least an ace (if not a king) and that I would probably have a 25% chance of busting out fourth. Thats why i thought after that folding might be a better option, but then I thought that I was crazy. So I wanted to get other perspectives.

[LotsOfOuts69]

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Without any other kind of read:

I'm calling with QQ+, AK. I'm folding JJ, and everything else.

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Call AK and fold JJ huh? If you call AK you are coin flipping with all pairs and dominating weaker aces and kings.

If you call with JJ you are dominating all under pairs and dominating weak aces and kings, coin flipping with AK AQ KQ and the only extra hand that dominates JJ rather than AK is QQ.

I don't see a difference, if anything I think calling with JJ is better no? I dont use those fancy calulation things

[microbet]

It's a call. The thing is the short stack isn't THAT short. If you cut his stack in half QQ is probably a fold.

Still, I wouldn't say it's an easy call since JJ is a fold unless villian is trying to pwn the bubble or something.

[microbet]

JJ is better than AK.

[LotsOfOuts69]

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It's a call. The thing is the short stack isn't THAT short. If you cut his stack in half QQ is probably a fold.

Still, I wouldn't say it's an easy call since JJ is a fold unless villian is trying to pwn the bubble or something.

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Maybe someone could create a cool list using that ICM thing or something that you could get a nice calling range of hands based on how short the short stack is at your table on the bubble(% compared to your stack).

It could be based off a semi knowledgeable person pushing a normail range of hands (assunimg he is not pushing everything but also is trying to get blinds on the bubble.

[Blarg]

[ QUOTE ]
It's a call. The thing is the short stack isn't THAT short. If you cut his stack in half QQ is probably a fold.

Still, I wouldn't say it's an easy call since JJ is a fold unless villian is trying to pwn the bubble or something.

[/ QUOTE ]

Villain seems to either be trying to dominate the bubble or actually thinks his awful hand is good, in the low levels that I play. I'm the expert of nothing, but in the 20's it seems that JJ would be a good calling hand, considering that villain is in perfect stealing position on the bubble and would be highly tempted to do it even with pretty mediocre cards, if he even understood what mediocre cards were. Which might be pretty questionable at lower levels.