The flop made me want to vomit

#1 10-14-2005, 05:58 PM

$5 Rebuy:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1000 (10 handed) converter

SB (t11012)
BB (t46134)
UTG (t34412)
UTG+1 (t4960)
UTG+2 (t21116)
MP1 (t8690)
MP2 (t10332)
MP3 (t32717)
Hero (t34511)
Button (t16370)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
6 folds, Hero raises to t2500, 1 fold, SB calls t2000, BB calls t1500.

Flop: (t7500) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets t8512 (All-In), BB calls t8512, Hero calls t8512.

Turn: (t33036) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
BB bets t35122 (All-In), Hero folds.

River: (t68158) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t68158

Anyone fold the flop here? Anyone call the turn? I felt like SB could easily be semi-bluffing. As for BB, I put him on AK or a pair and a draw (I think he pushes two-pair or a set here and hopes I don't have AK), and I figured that if I flat called behind him, he'd let me know where I stood on the turn. When he pushed, I convinced myself that he had to have at least top two. Average stack at the time was around 18K, so I'm still in good shape when I fold.

Thanks.

TheBlueMonster · #2 10-14-2005, 06:04 PM

I think the just call on the flop is terrible, I'd re-raise all in. Also, raise a little bit more preflop. Even taking down the blinds with AA isn't too bad.

KneeCo · #3 10-14-2005, 08:59 PM

You could easily be on a steal here, so I feel like AK would have re-raised you (pushed in the case of the SB, raised in the case of the BB rather then play OOP).

Especially if you've stolen a couple of pots off these guys before, I don't think this spot is quite that bad. If you're behind, it's probably to two pair, not the straight.

I think it's push or fold on the flop, and I would go push.

That being said, I doubt BB would push at a dry side pot with a pair, so you probably were beat and the above is probably way off, but let's not be result oriented here.

adanthar · #4 10-14-2005, 09:01 PM

When one of them pushes and another calls on a QJT board, either you are beat or they have 87,000 outs, so I would fold...anywhere but in a $5 rebuy, where you push anyway because you can't possibly expect either of them to know the concept of a kicker.