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Old 10-12-2005, 11:47 AM
Lloyd Lloyd is offline
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Default Super Tuesday Hand - JJ against chip leader with 15 left

Here's what I think was a very interesting and tough hand from last night's Super Tuesday. There are 15 people left. I am probably seen as playing tightly. Most of my pre-flop raises have been uncalled. There was one hand where I raised UTG and the villain in this hand (the chip leader by almost 2x) re-raised me from the SB all-in (a fairly big overbet) with 99. On the last hand I pushed from MP with 77 and doubled up against AJ. The villain has been getting incredibly lucky. He's very aggressive and definitely using his stack to his advantage. However, I don't think he has absolute trash when raising in this hand.

Blinds 2000/4000
7-handed

Villain: t196340
Hero: t50882 (average is probably 75,000 but I'm right there with 5 or 6 other similar stacks)
Others: Have me covered although only 1 has 28k more than me

Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Villain is UTG and raises to t9000. Hero calls t9000. Folded around.

Pot: t24,000

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Villain checks. Action is on hero.

What range of hands do you put him on? Check or bet (and, if so, how much) and why?
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Old 10-12-2005, 11:49 AM
Tyler Durden Tyler Durden is offline
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Default Re: Super Tuesday Hand - JJ against chip leader with 15 left

what position were you each in
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Old 10-12-2005, 11:51 AM
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Default Re: Super Tuesday Hand - JJ against chip leader with 15 left

I'm pushing this and expecting to be called with the best hand.
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Old 10-12-2005, 11:51 AM
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Default Re: Super Tuesday Hand - JJ against chip leader with 15 left

Push. I can't imagine folding here, and you've got too many chips to make a tricky call/call play here (plus, you invite the blinds in, which is a disaster).

Is there something that I'm missing? Is villain's raise not his typical amount? Positions?
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Old 10-12-2005, 12:03 PM
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Default Re: Super Tuesday Hand - JJ against chip leader with 15 left

Sorry. Edited to reflect he was UTG, I was next, and the table was 7-handed.
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Old 10-12-2005, 12:12 PM
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Default Re: Super Tuesday Hand - JJ against chip leader with 15 left

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Sorry. Edited to reflect he was UTG, I was next, and the table was 7-handed.

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This would change my opinion with a lesser hand, but with this stack and JJ against a player who sounds unaware of his position, I can't see much of an argument for a fold. I think calling is a disaster given your hand and the price the blinds'll be getting.
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Old 10-12-2005, 12:16 PM
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Default Re: Super Tuesday Hand - JJ against chip leader with 15 left

FWIW, I was about 90% certain that if I called, it would be folded back to the villain and 100% certain that if anybody re-raised I would be dominated.
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Old 10-12-2005, 12:17 PM
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Default Re: Super Tuesday Hand - JJ against chip leader with 15 left

I'm pushing here without taking a minute to look back.

raise size is funny and he is UTG. but barring that, he's come over the top with 99, and he could be positionally clueless.

only thing I don't like is the size of his raise.
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Old 10-12-2005, 12:17 PM
Sam T. Sam T. is offline
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Default Re: Super Tuesday Hand - JJ against chip leader with 15 left

I assume that there is an arugment to be made against pushing, but I can't figure out what it is.
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Old 10-12-2005, 12:20 PM
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FWIW, I was about 90% certain that if I called, it would be folded back to the villain and 100% certain that if anybody re-raised I would be dominated.

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If you call, there's now 24k in the pot and BB has 5k to call, closing the action. Also, nobody reraises behind you here with AK after you call?

What am I missing here?
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