Straight outta TOPton

silkyslim · #1 10-11-2005, 03:14 PM

Villain is 25/8/3. My plan is fold to a 3-bet or get a free showdown. Thoughts?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
6 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets, Hero raises..........

Fat Nicky · #2 10-11-2005, 03:26 PM

I don't think CO has a J, he woould probably have raised the flop or check/raised the turn. I smell something like 99 here and I feel like we have to improve our hand in order to win at showdown.

Do you we have a good enough read on the CO that says he may fold a pair below Js to a turn raise?? If we don't, I don't like turn raise.

#3 10-11-2005, 03:32 PM

I like it. He bets the turn b/c the 2nd J makes it less likely you have it. You're raise will definitely slow him down if he doesn't fold.

Fat Nicky · #4 10-11-2005, 03:41 PM

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You're raise will definitely slow him down if he doesn't fold.

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It will certainly slow him down if he doesn't have a J, but is AK the best, and if it's not, will he fold an inferior hand.

crunchy1 · #5 10-11-2005, 03:48 PM

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You're raise will definitely slow him down if he doesn't fold.

[/ QUOTE ]It will certainly slow him down if he doesn't have a J, but is AK the best, and if it's not, will he fold an inferior hand.

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..and if it is best, why do we want to slow him down anyways?

GoblinMason (Craig) · #6 10-11-2005, 03:53 PM

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Do you we have a good enough read on the CO that says he may fold a pair below Js to a turn raise?? If we don't, I don't like turn raise.

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I would like it better in this case as well, however I still like it. I think a donk bet here is usually bs and if not you're going to fold drawing dead to a 3bet. I think an unknown folds a 4 often here, not to mention that they may fold whatever random 6 outer which is a mistake for them. If not you check behind and YHIG.

-Craig

That seems kinda rambling; sorry i'm tired.

silkyslim · #7 10-11-2005, 03:54 PM

I thought h would raise the flop with a J, or at least c/r me with trips. He is not raising pf with a 4. His open raise after 6 folds widens his range. I thought this was a big semi-bluff, and the best way to counter a semi-bluff according to sklansky is with a raise. So thats what I did. Does everyone see why?

GoblinMason (Craig) · #8 10-11-2005, 03:54 PM

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You're raise will definitely slow him down if he doesn't fold.

[/ QUOTE ]It will certainly slow him down if he doesn't have a J, but is AK the best, and if it's not, will he fold an inferior hand.

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..and if it is best, why do we want to slow him down anyways?

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If he's on a random hand that has 6 outs, you want to make him incorrectly fold.

-Craig

TheMainEvent · #9 10-11-2005, 04:00 PM

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I like it. He bets the turn b/c the 2nd J makes it less likely you have it. You're raise will definitely slow him down if he doesn't fold.

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I like the line and all...but it feels like the type of hand where villian donks again on the river.

silkyslim · #10 10-11-2005, 04:14 PM

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I like it. He bets the turn b/c the 2nd J makes it less likely you have it. You're raise will definitely slow him down if he doesn't fold.

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I like the line and all...but it feels like the type of hand where villian donks again on the river.

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why?