Another JJ hand

#1 10-04-2005, 07:11 PM

The only thing I have on this opponent is his PT-stats, which are 34.4/17.2/3.8 over 65 hands. I'm interested in pretty much all streets, except preflop.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

BB ($97)
UTG ($192.40)
MP ($67.40)
CO ($89.90)
Hero ($131.70)
SB ($80.95)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, SB (poster) calls $4.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($16) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $15, SB raises to $30, UTG folds, Hero calls $15.

Turn: ($76) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB calls $45.95 (All-In), Hero calls $45.95.

River: ($167.90) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $167.90

Dumle

Riposte · #2 10-04-2005, 07:13 PM

I let it go on the flop. If you have a read that this guy likes to try and pick off continuation bets like that and you call... I definitely fold the turn.

GrunchCan · #3 10-04-2005, 07:18 PM

Nevermind, I thought the stakes were lower than they were.

Godfather80 · #4 10-04-2005, 07:20 PM

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The only thing I have on this opponent is his PT-stats, which are 34.4/17.2/3.8 over 65 hands. I'm interested in pretty much all streets, except preflop.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

BB ($97)
UTG ($192.40)
MP ($67.40)
CO ($89.90)
Hero ($131.70)
SB ($80.95)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, SB (poster) calls $4.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($16) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $15, SB raises to $30, UTG folds, Hero calls $15.

Turn: ($76) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB calls $45.95 (All-In), Hero calls $45.95.

River: ($167.90) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $167.90

Dumle

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From the PT stats, it would seem that villain is ridiculously aggressive. 3.8 is his aggression factor, right? In this case, because he didn't reraise preflop, I put him on high hearts when he minraises the flop. I don't mind how you played this against this particular opponent. Shame about the river though.

noggindoc · #5 10-04-2005, 07:22 PM

I don't hate it. If he's got a boat so be it. It seems like a higher pair would have reraised preflop. I hope you didn't get shown the AQ [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for a nasty river.

PoBoy321 · #6 10-04-2005, 07:26 PM

I think that villain's gonna have 8x [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] often enough here to call. I think that he could easily make this play with 99, TT or even lower, unset PPs.

#7 10-04-2005, 08:36 PM

Thanks for the replies!

I tend to lose confidence with these quite shaky hands when someone plays back at me and I probably overplay them most of the time. I'm glad you didn't think so here. The reason I called was pretty much outlined in the posts above. First off, he would probably reraise a higher pair preflop, and even if I can't exclude it entirely that was pretty much off my list. Also, the flush draw was there and he might get frisky with a pair or overcards + draw. And thirdly, his stats indicated that he was very aggressive, even though 65 hands really doesn't prove much.

Anyway, he showed TT and MHWG.

Dumle

Riposte · #8 10-04-2005, 08:40 PM

Wow, good job. I play these types of hands pretty weakly. I guess the clincher for the call was his aggro factor? If it was < 2 I'd probably fold to the raise on the flop.

#9 10-04-2005, 08:52 PM

And I tend to overplay these hands. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

The clincher was indeed his aggro factor. I'm not sure how I would've handled the hand if his aggression factor had been a tad lower, say 2-3. I would probably call the flop and reevaluate the turn. Do you think that is throwing money away? If it had been even lower, though, I would probably toss it on the flop, as you would.

Dumle