50NL Turned 2pr, 3 straight on board, got CRed all in

mason55 · #1 10-02-2005, 11:52 PM

Been here a few orbits. I just bluffed off about $25 to villain about 5 hands ago and my cards got shown down. Stupid stupid play. Anyways, villain is 80/3 over 50 hands or so, but plays pretty aggressively post flop. No idea where his stack came from (14 buy ins!?!?) he had it all when I sat down.

His min bet on the flop told me he had a draw, but I figured it was probably an OESD, so I couldn't give him credit for making the straight on the turn. I figure the hand I'm most
likely losing to is a set. Easy call? Easy fold? Check the turn through? That's what my instincts told me to do, but I didn't want to see another straight card or spade fall on the river.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 4 handed) converter

Hero ($50.35)
Button ($26.90)
SB ($710.69)
BB ($90.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $1.75, 1 fold.

Flop: ($4.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $0.5, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2.50.

Turn: ($10.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, SB raises to $40

Slappz · #2 10-03-2005, 12:33 AM

dont check the turn, and id probably call that all-in.

wdeadwyler · #3 10-03-2005, 01:06 AM

Hero didnt check turn, and shouldnt. Bet is fine, I think you are against ak, set, a worse two pair, or a pair+k combo. (most likely a set, possibly pair+k combo, less likely ak, and worse two pair being the least likely)
Im folding to the c/r all in. Youve hammered at the pot preflop, flop, and turn, and villain is now hammering at you, I dont think he is scared, is he dumb enough to pull this with 10j. Also, his stack is 740, he may be loose, but he has SOME idea what he is doing. The chances of him getting his money in behind 14 times and still winning are pretty small, give him some credit.

mason55 · #4 10-03-2005, 01:06 AM

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dont check the turn, and id probably call that all-in.

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Any reasoning? I would have bet $10 that I was going to get CRed. What do you put him on and why?

amoeba · #5 10-03-2005, 01:09 AM

bluffing in to loose players is an easy way to lose money.

that said, a lot of how these players win is by winning purely on implied odds.

yes he doesn't have odds to call the flop with say 89 but guys always pay them off.

We can't say what you should do here without seeing previous hands.

I actually think the turn is pretty close.

mason55 · #6 10-03-2005, 01:33 AM

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bluffing in to loose players is an easy way to lose money.

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hey, I said I [censored] up :-)

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that said, a lot of how these players win is by winning purely on implied odds.

yes he doesn't have odds to call the flop with say 89 but guys always pay them off.

We can't say what you should do here without seeing previous hands.

I actually think the turn is pretty close.

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Many times I'll gladly call a potsized bet with a gutshot in an unraised pot if I know I'm getting paid off. He was probably confident that I would pay him off. This made my decision much tougher and I think should push the decision to a fold.

amoeba · #7 10-03-2005, 01:37 AM

at a higher limit, I'm calling this almost all the time as nobody plays a made hand this way.

at lower limits though, where checkraises are like the move of god, I don't know.

PoBoy321 · #8 10-03-2005, 02:17 AM

I raise more on the flop, bet more on the turn and call the all-in.

Malachii · #9 10-03-2005, 04:00 AM

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Any reasoning? I would have bet $10 that I was going to get CRed. What do you put him on and why?

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Usual stuff, don't give Villains infinite odds when you're ahead, blah blah blah. Basically, you have to bet this flop. That said, the minibet/call is frequently a draw, and when the J completes the gutshot I would typically bet this intending on folding to a checkraise. I do think that this is a close decision, but I would probably give it up. Villain could easily have 89 or even AK.

PoBoy321 · #10 10-03-2005, 04:04 AM

I see villain having KJ, KQ, JT much more often than 89 (possible) or AK (highly unlikely, IMO).