Histort/Details about New York State Indian Poker Rooms?

[chicane]

Seeking details about the recent history and procedures for Poker Rooms at Indian Casinos in New York State- Seneca, Turning Stone, Akwesasne.
1)When did their poker room open?
2)Are their poker rooms operated similarly to AC/Vegas rooms? Are there any significant differences in rules/procedures?

[AKQJ10]

Not sure exactly what sort of rules and procedures you're looking for, but there is a bit on these pages:

http://poker.wikicities.com/wiki/Turning_Stone
http://poker.wikicities.com/wiki/Seneca_Niagara
http://poker.wikicities.com/wiki/Seneca_Allegany
http://poker.wikicities.com/wiki/Akwesasne_Mohawk

I don't remember any odd rules at TS (the only one I've been at) other than what's noted there -- buying the $2 card, only outside alcohol, and a bizarre way they used to collect the rake after pushing the pot to the winner which no longer applies.

As for history, Turning Stone and possibly Mohawk have been around for a while, while the two Senecas opened their poker rooms within the past year but had casinos prior to that.

Seneca Allegany is 16 or so tables, opened last year. STock rules, but for the first timers, the floor there has about 1/100 of a clue. Dealers are ok at best, and very pushy, especially during peak hours, about bet/check/call/option. Like, if you havent made your decision before the action gets to you, be prepared for a stare.

Chips there are horrendous, if I recall. They seem like the plastic chips you buy at the dollar general for $2.00, with faded stickers.

Its funny, cause with the rake they are charging and the number of people you see playing in there most of the time, they should be rolling in money.

Also, the Allegany is currently housed in the entertainment building. I thought this was a joke, but apparently its true. As soon as they get the parking garage redone (It SUNK 1 foot on one side), they will start building the real casino, then move to that and the current casino floor will be a ampitheater or some such.

[chicane]

Thanks for the reply and links.

What are the reasons/logistics of the nominal fee and the daily requirement to join Turning Stone's "Poker Club Card"? It seems strange-could there be some legal reason or are they trying to extract up a few extra bucks? The other 3 NYS Indian Casino's have no such requirement.

[bigbeardedbryan]

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Seneca Allegany is 16 or so tables, opened last year. STock rules, but for the first timers, the floor there has about 1/100 of a clue.
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Chips there are horrendous, if I recall. They seem like the plastic chips you buy at the dollar general for $2.00, with faded stickers.
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As soon as they get the parking garage redone (It SUNK 1 foot on one side), they will start building the real casino, then move to that and the current casino floor will be a ampitheater or some such.

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Isn't that the truth, about the floors there. The whole time I've played there, I have found ONE who knows the rules well enough to apply them, and have had major (though calm and gentlemanly) disagreements with two.

The chips are "ceramic" and pretty crappy. If you try real hard and aren't a big greasy nerd, you can actually snap one in half (try with a black chip for fun--this is -EV though.) The chips they use are common to all three Seneca rooms and will actually play at Niagara or Irving as well, but you can't use them in the rest of the casino.

There's no real reason to park in the garage there either, not when valet's available for the cost of a tip. The garage is pretty shoddily put together as you mentioned, and an interesting walk through a labyrinth of hallway to get to the casino itself--not to mention, it's pretty poorly signed, so you're far from unlikely to get T-boned by someone searching for the exit just like you are.