Weak? 2/4

Chaostracize · #1 09-30-2005, 04:11 PM

It's like the 15th hand. I haven't played one yet.

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($378)
MP ($187)
CO ($337.40)
Button ($251.07)
SB ($503.50)
BB ($628.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
Hero raises to $12, 1 fold, CO calls $12, 2 folds, BB calls $8.

Flop: ($38) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $25, CO calls $25, BB folds.

Turn: ($88) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $65, CO calls $65.

River: ($218) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $125, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $343

Should I be blocking this river? $90?

Big_Jim · #2 09-30-2005, 04:19 PM

Bet more on flop, more on turn. Board is very draw heavy, and your hand is vulnerable.

Ugly river card...

Blocking bet is bad since no worse hands call.

Given how drawy the board is... I think a call here is right a fair percentage of the time. It only needs to be right about 25% of the time, so you can probably call against an aggressive player.

Against an unknown..... flip a coin.

AdamBragar · #3 09-30-2005, 04:19 PM

Your 2 pair might be good as he might have a missed flush draw, so yeah, I'd probably throw out a decent bet on the river. If he calls and shows QJ or KQ, I'd imagine you can now note he's gonna pay off tons of hands when he hits top pair.

As it played, I still probably call the river.

amoeba · #4 09-30-2005, 04:34 PM

if he can have missed flush draw then check call on the river is infinitely better than blocking bet.

Big_Jim · #5 09-30-2005, 04:36 PM

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I'd probably throw out a decent bet on the river.

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What worse hands call?

AdamBragar · #6 09-30-2005, 04:53 PM

I'm not looking for a call, I'm looking to block a big bluff. If I bet the river, hopefully a missed draw is just going to give up, figuring they aren't going to be able to bluff me off the hand.

I also do agree with the previous poster who said that check calling might be the best play here. I pretty much usually assume if people call a flop bet and turn bet on a draw heavy board, and don't raise, they are probably drawing. So I don't know if I need throw out a bet to try to gain more information on the river. But, I like check calling rivers too often and was trying to think of another, possibly cheaper line.

Kirkrrr · #7 09-30-2005, 04:54 PM

Ugly, but getting 3:1 you have to call. I make a lot of money check-calling missed draws on the river, and there's a lot of hands that could've missed on that board. If he's got KQ/QJ, tough break, but he won't have that more than 1 out of 3 times here.

Kirk

Kirkrrr · #8 09-30-2005, 04:57 PM

Oh, and what's with the 78s UTG raise? Is that becoming standard practice or what? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Seriously, I see more and more people doing it now.

Kirk

amoeba · #9 09-30-2005, 05:28 PM

blocking for 90 is really bad.

you weren't willing to call a $125 bet so the $35 you save is not worth the value you get from inducing him to bluff missed draws.assuming you even know he is not aggressive enough to read you for a blocking bet and come over the top anyways.

on the end I just don't think a naked Q bets here unless if he knows your UTG raise range is really wide. its either something that can beat a Q or a missed draw.

swarm · #10 09-30-2005, 05:31 PM

It's 6 max so it's raisable i guess, I would normally muck 87s UTG unless on a rush... With that said is that your normal preflop raise? If you are going to come in for a raise at least make it 16.

Pot the flop, Pot the turn, you don't mind if he folds the turn you only have bottom 2 on a super draw heavy board.

I think whether you bet or check/call this river is very player dependent.

6max, 2-4... he showed no agression until your river check... how it was played and the bet amount smells of a missed draw bluff, got to call with the odds.