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Old 09-30-2005, 12:10 AM
bdk3clash bdk3clash is offline
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Default Party 5/10: QTo gets 3-bet preflop, flops top 2 3-way

UTG in this hand is very loose both preflop and postflop and very, very passive. His stats are 68.4/0.0/0.7 over about 100 hands.

Button in this hand is more interesting--I've played with him a bunch, I recognize him, he probably recognizes me, blah blah blah. As far as I can tell he's a good player, maybe a 2+2er. His stats are 22.9/16.6/2.8 over about 2000 hands.

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Preflop: bdk3clash is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">bdk3clash raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls, bdk3clash calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">bdk3clash bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">bdk3clash 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, UTG calls, bdk3clash calls.

Turn: (11.20 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">bdk3clash bets</font>, Button calls, UTG calls.

River: (14.20 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">bdk3clash bets and hopes he doesn't get raised but will probably fold if he does...</font>
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Old 09-30-2005, 12:16 AM
billyjex billyjex is offline
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Default Re: Party 5/10: QTo gets 3-bet preflop, flops top 2 3-way

i can't fold to a raise there. you're going to get massive odds with top and 3rd pair -- i am paying off one more bet if someone got cute and didn't raise the turn, cause that 4 sure as hell didn't change anything.

I have seen people do enough stupid stuff w/ AA/KK to not fold to a river raise. I guess if UTG raised you could, but that doesn't seem likely.

I probably C/R the flop as well.
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Old 09-30-2005, 12:20 AM
bdk3clash bdk3clash is offline
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Default Re: Party 5/10: QTo gets 3-bet preflop, flops top 2 3-way

If it matters, given the turn action I thought it was pretty unlikely I'd get raised on the river.
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Old 09-30-2005, 12:25 AM
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Default Re: Party 5/10: QTo gets 3-bet preflop, flops top 2 3-way

Nice hand and I'd call the river raise as well.
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Old 09-30-2005, 12:39 AM
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Default Re: Party 5/10: QTo gets 3-bet preflop, flops top 2 3-way

I wouldn't fold to a river raise.
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Old 09-30-2005, 12:48 AM
bdk3clash bdk3clash is offline
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Default Re: Party 5/10: QTo gets 3-bet preflop, flops top 2 3-way

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I probably C/R the flop as well.

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I was thinking about this and I think leading out is far superior. Me betting out and button calling lays UTG almost the same odds (11.4:1) as me checking and button (inevitably) betting (10.4:1). Even if I get a checkraise in, it will most likely trap UTG for multiple bets when given the pot size and the coordinated nature of the board I'd probably prefer a fold.

By betting out and hoping button would raise I at least give myself a chance at laying UTG 13.4:2 and making him either fold or incorrectly call with gutshots and worse draws.

I might be missing out on an additional BB I'd pick up by trapping both players for an additional bet by checkraising the flop (though as it turns out this wasn't the case), but I thought the chance to cut UTG's immediate odds in half made leading out much better.
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