To Call or Fold. The Big Question.

aflaba · #1 09-25-2005, 12:40 PM

These two hands were back to back against the same player. He is an unknown to me, but I have him datamined. His stats are 32/12, 1.4.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (7.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero ?

Final Pot: 8.75 BB.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 2 folds, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.00 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB folds, BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (7.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero ?

Final Pot: 9.50 BB.

balkii · #2 09-25-2005, 02:40 PM

hand 1: i hate it and i'm probably wrong but i call here. often legit but often enough its a desperation bluff

hand 2: sb really 3-bet then openfolded? lol. i call here. you gotta figure hes betting the river pretty much every time you check through on the turn.

my 2 cent

Chobohoya · #3 09-25-2005, 02:45 PM

I think you fold in hand one. If you don't, his hand determine's our action in hand 2. I'm inclined to fold there as well. Either way, fishlist the SB in hand 2.

aflaba · #4 09-25-2005, 03:30 PM

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hand 1: i hate it and i'm probably wrong but i call here. often legit but often enough its a desperation bluff

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In hand 1 I folded. I think it was good, but I'm not sure. I'm happy to hear that it isn't crystal clear to you either.

I can't put Villain on hands I beat. QT, JT are possible, but they shouldn't be played preflop and it would be a very weird and unlikly way to play them. I guess a flush draw is possible, but it feels unlikly since he shouldn't be raising hands as bad as Q9s preflop with a 12% preflop raise. I can put him on many very unlikly holdings that I beat, but I don't think that is enough.

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hand 2: sb really 3-bet then openfolded? lol. i call here. you gotta figure hes betting the river pretty much every time you check through on the turn.

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Hehe, SB disconnected. I called as well, but it didn't feel good. The only hands I can see him having are XJ (and less likly TT, 99, 88, 77). To me it looks like he goes into check-call mode after the A hits on the turn. Was I really correct to call?