Kings OOP

Mercman572 · #1 09-23-2005, 07:36 PM

First villain hasn't played a hand for the 15 I've seen him at the table
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MP2 ($100)
MP3 ($136.80)
CO ($128.50)
Button ($129.30)
Hero ($118.65)
BB ($97.50)
UTG ($193.35)
UTG+1 ($104)
UTG+2 ($98.70)
MP1 ($148.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
3 folds, MP1 calls $1, 4 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $4.5, BB calls $4, MP1 calls $4.

Flop: ($15) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $15, BB raises to $30, MP1 folds, Hero?

Hand 2
No Read
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Hero ($100)
Button ($96.45)
SB ($121.95)
BB ($92.50)
UTG ($129.25)
UTG+1 ($98)
MP1 ($104.40)
MP2 ($261.25)
MP3 ($99.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
5 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $3, Button calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $7, Button raises to $14, Hero ?

DyessMan89 · #2 09-23-2005, 07:42 PM

Hand 1- Coming over the top commits you to calling off the rest of his chips. Id probobly just push right away on the flop.

Mercman572 · #3 09-23-2005, 07:46 PM

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Hand 1- Coming over the top commits you to calling off the rest of his chips

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thats why I was at a loss for what to do. What worse hands call a push?

Mr. Curious · #4 09-23-2005, 09:07 PM

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Hand 1- Coming over the top commits you to calling off the rest of his chips

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thats why I was at a loss for what to do. What worse hands call a push?

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Any AQ or some gambler with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]x[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

BB could also be semi-bluffing with a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] draw or straight draw. Something about it screams a set, but that's just me.

Mercman572 · #5 09-24-2005, 03:58 AM

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Hand 1- Coming over the top commits you to calling off the rest of his chips

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thats why I was at a loss for what to do. What worse hands call a push?

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Any AQ or some gambler with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]x[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

BB could also be semi-bluffing with a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] draw or straight draw. Something about it screams a set, but that's just me.

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that would be a terrible semi-bluff with no fold equity when he could just call no?

Isura · #6 09-24-2005, 09:48 AM

Hand 1: I might just call and lead a non-heart/non-ace turn card. If he's semi-bluffing, this prevents a free card and your equity will either be much higher or lower on the turn. Tough spot.

Hand 2: I think I just call and check/call the turn. I lead the river if he checks the turn. Seems like you're WA/WB here.

xcrack999 · #7 09-24-2005, 11:40 AM

Hand 1: Call and push turn.
Hand 2: Call him down unless another jack hits.

#8 09-24-2005, 11:51 AM

Thanks for posting this. I've been in a lot of situations like this lately and I never know what to do. It's the damn miniraise on the flop that screws me up. I've seen a lot of people do this with a draw. But I've also been seeing a lot of people do this with top pair hands too. I think they're often afraid of an overpair and they figure a miniraise is a cheap way to test the waters. I've also seen a few people miniraise the flop on total bluffs (incredible but true).

I haven't found any good way to combat this without a read. Without a read and against a full stack, I generally have been calling and checking the turn. I then will fold the turn to a real bet (I don't want to risk my whole stack with an overpair and no read). But often, you find people who bet out something like 1/5 or 1/7 of the pot. I call that of course. I often have people check behind too. I then bet out 1/2 pot on river. They normally call with top pair. I don't necessarily like this, but it's the best I've come up with so far and I haven't seen any better suggestions that really catch my eye.

2PAUL2 · #9 09-24-2005, 11:59 AM

hand 1 my default is to push and stack AQ most of the time. there are players who i can find a fold against with this action though.

hand 2 i call down.

paul

Mercman572 · #10 09-24-2005, 01:00 PM

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Hand 1: I might just call and lead a non-heart/non-ace turn card. If he's semi-bluffing, this prevents a free card and your equity will either be much higher or lower on the turn. Tough spot.

Hand 2: I think I just call and check/call the turn. I lead the river if he checks the turn. Seems like you're WA/WB here.

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I thought much along the same lines, however I thought it best to check the turn hand one planning to C/R allin in. I would trap AQ and figured with no read I am going broke here and it maximizes my wins when I'm ahead.

Hand two I indeed check the turn, it comes a pretty Q no FD and I check/call a $25 bet. However I plan on check/calling the river with same intent as hand one.

What do you think?