KQs Hand Quiz Playalong

[ClaytonN]

This is your 11th hand in a 1/2 session on PokerStars. Play is 10-handed.
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PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero...?</font>
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It's fairly obvious hero needs to raise here.
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<font color="#CC3333">...Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP2 folds, Hero...?</font>
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[Paradigm]

deciding between raising and calling but i say the hero calls. peel one off with your overs and back door flush draw.

[pryor15]

minus reads, i think we raise to clean up some of our outs and thin the field.

What hands do we want to fold out that are going to fold? Absent reads I don't think hands like k7 are folded. I want to see a turn cheaply and just call.

EDIT:
Raising might be better. Maybe maybe you fold out hands like Q3 or whatever that have you reverse dominated, though I do think it's unlikely. But a raise is very likely to get you a free card unless.

Raise. We may be able to force out players on gutshots, single Aces, some other weak stuff possibly. Also, a chance to get a free turn card.

[RandBriscoe]

Raise. Big pot. Let's see a free river card.

[McGahee]

OK I've been wondering about this for a while:

- Standard Miller practice says you need to play more aggressively in big pots.
- SSHE also says that the guidelines for raising are dependant on:
A) how likely you are to get a free card
B) how likely a raise is to win you the pot immediately
C) how likely a raise is to win you the pot down the line

Conundrum or no? It seems to me these these conditions don't exist much in mult-way (ie big) pots.

[RandBriscoe]

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OK I've been wondering about this for a while:

- Standard Miller practice says you need to play more aggressively in big pots.
- SSHE also says that the guidelines for raising are dependant on:
A) how likely you are to get a free card
B) how likely a raise is to win you the pot immediately
C) how likely a raise is to win you the pot down the line

Conundrum or no? It seems to me these these conditions don't exist much in mult-way (ie big) pots.

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I expect this free-card play to work an enormous percentage of the time. One of the blinds with bottom pair might fold here. Hell, if I get lucky and end up HU with UTG, I bet probably bet the turn (read dependant) no matter what falls and check behind on the river UI.

[Student Caine]

So we have the following outs:

Overcards = 3 (discounted)
Backdoor Flush = 1.5
Backdoor Gutshot = .5?

So we are looking at 5 outs, which means we need to be getting ~9:1. The pot is offering us 13:1 so we have an easy call.

However, we may want to raise here and go for a free card (if we want it) on the turn? I think that this would be my choice.

[McGahee]

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Hell, if I get lucky and end up HU with UTG, I bet probably bet the turn (read dependant) no matter what falls and check behind on the river UI.

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I guess that's primarily why I'm not a big fan of the free card -
It's rarely correct to actually take it when you get the chance, and if you don't get it HU there's a good chance you might not get the opportunity. I forget what the exact % is, but I think it needs to work something like 80% of the time.
Although in this case, I agree that the reasonable possibility of getting a better hand to fold is another checkmark for the raising argument.