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Old 09-21-2005, 02:01 AM
joker122 joker122 is offline
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Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (2.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (4.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero ?
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Old 09-21-2005, 02:02 AM
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Default Re: what\'s your default against an unknown here?

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Old 09-21-2005, 02:05 AM
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call, i also fold PF
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Old 09-21-2005, 02:08 AM
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I call and I fold preflop.
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Old 09-21-2005, 02:14 AM
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Default Re: what\'s your default against an unknown here?

You guys think he has 35o more than 1 in 7? I don't like our chances on this river, I fold.

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Old 09-21-2005, 02:17 AM
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Old 09-21-2005, 02:42 AM
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Default Re: what\'s your default against an unknown here?

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You guys think he has 35o more than 1 in 7? I don't like our chances on this river, I fold.

Surf

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i fold this all day at 5/10, and almost always at 10/20 as well, but you guys got mad when i folded a set on the river when i raised on a 4 straight board.

i called here and was shown a straight, but besides the results of this one hand i don't see how calling is right. for those of you who like a call, can you explain why?
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Old 09-21-2005, 02:47 AM
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You guys think he has 35o more than 1 in 7? I don't like our chances on this river, I fold.

Surf

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i fold this all day at 5/10, and almost always at 10/20 as well, but you guys got mad when i folded a set on the river when i raised on a 4 straight board.

i called here and was shown a straight, but besides the results of this one hand i don't see how calling is right. for those of you who like a call, can you explain why?

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Hey joker,

Folding here is good. The 35o 2pair hand is the only realistic raising hand, and the pot isn't very big. There boards all straight-drawy so he wouldn't wait till the river to raise a good pair. This is a straight or better 2pair or set, he's not raising 1 pair here.

If we had a set this would be an easy call. Lots of 2pair hands (and worse sets?) that raise us here that we can beat. I don't remember the other hand(link? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) but folding a set for 1 more bet on the river HU is usually bad because players get out of line with 2pair on dangerous boards.

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Old 09-21-2005, 02:47 AM
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for those of you who like a call, can you explain why?

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You don't have any reads, and in general, it doesn't seem like there are many hands that BB would typically play this way on the flop, turn, and river, that managed to hit his straight. In general I would be more concerned of 65o here, and I think the decision is close, but it seems like you'll see some odd [censored] at 10/20 more often than 12% of the time.
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Old 09-21-2005, 02:55 AM
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Fold and fold preflop.
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