betting frenzy quandry...now with hand!!

ubercuber · #1 09-17-2005, 01:41 PM

I have been in a few of these situations where I could call down (I think) with action closing position, but a raise follows my call and then a reraise. I HATE that! This River is F'd up and I left the table pissed off. I don't see what donk-check raise folder is holding...I figured likely AKh after the check-raise, and the reraise made me want to take their cards and punch the stupid one.(which I no doubt will soon see quoted and learn that I am the stupid one!) Could I have folded the Turn? Should I have riased the Turn and folded a reraise? Should I have folded the River? I have no reads...only a few hands at the table. And anger, lots of anger. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

The hand would help:

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG caps, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: (15.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, UTG raises, MP1 3-bets, Hero folds, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 21.75 BB

RatFink · #2 09-17-2005, 01:53 PM

All of those options are possibilities. A hand to review would probably help us understand your pain better.

GTSamIAm · #3 09-17-2005, 01:55 PM

Say that again. If you're 3-handed, it's usually not a great idea to call down. Raise or fold are usually your two options on the flop and turn.

string4 · #4 09-17-2005, 02:16 PM

*in the dark, plz critique*

I am SOOO raising this turn. Have to charge UTG at least 2 bets to stay in. Even better, might have lost UTG and wound up headsup on the river with better odds and more control over the "frenzy".

Even if UTG does stay in, I'm probably going to SD with this one, too big a pot to fold. Sometimes you are gonna lose ALOT with monsters like AA/KK, sometimes u gonna lose ALOT.

string4 · #5 09-17-2005, 02:17 PM

LOL, i meant to say WIN alot on the end. Forgive me poker gods?

GTSamIAm · #6 09-17-2005, 02:19 PM

Raise the turn. You want to give yourself the best chance of shutting someone out, in this case UTG. And you have outs for a gutshot too, so you're not in that bad shape. You might be behind to a two pair, and counterfeit someone.

Fantam · #7 09-17-2005, 02:30 PM

Calm down. I know its annoying when you dont win with AA, but it happens to all of us. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I expect that UTG had a high pocket pair. KK, QQ etc. and that he overplayed his hand by capping the flop and raising the river.

I expect that MP1 probably made a set on the flop, and then always bet when possible not fearing a flush on the river.

I dont think that you misplayed your hand, and expect that I would have played it the same and folded to the river 2 bet.

#8 09-17-2005, 02:35 PM

I think you need to raise the turn. Based on preflop action you have UTG+1 crushed. Plus, it makes the river A LOT easier to play, as MP1 and UTG+1 are not going to raise there without having AA beaten.

As played, I wouldn't feel to bad about folding this river though.

TomBrooks · #9 09-17-2005, 11:13 PM

Turn: Raise it. Hand will play differently from then on.

It seems like UTG might be a donkey and MP1 knew this but you didn't because you just got to the table. MP1 might have only had an overpair between 99 and KK, but most likely KK or QQ. But, we'll never know.

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