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Old 09-16-2005, 11:20 PM
Fryguy Fryguy is offline
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Default Can I raise this river?

Opp is 53.2/12.8/1.3

Betting the turn here is for value and there is a decent amount of fold equity I think here, with everybody showing weakness on the flop. Getting raised here doesn't necessarily mean a flush, so I think I certainly have a right to continue and see the river. When he leads out again, I'm not really sure if he has a flush or not, so I just called. Does anybody raise this for value against random pair and 2-pair donks?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks.

Turn: (4 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (8 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB
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Old 09-16-2005, 11:25 PM
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Default Re: Can I raise this river?

No. I think you played it fine. The 3-flush out has two implications: The c/r could mean a flush, and it also makes it less likely that someone would c/r with a lesser hand like 2pr. (I'm not folding, though. Those other hands are certainly possible, as is something like A3.)
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Old 09-16-2005, 11:30 PM
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Default Re: Can I raise this river?

Turn bet is a little questionable, especially dealing with a preflop raiser (although he likely has nothing). I would raise the river in a heartbeat and call a 3-bet.
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Old 09-16-2005, 11:34 PM
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Turn bet is a little questionable, especially dealing with a preflop raiser (although he likely has nothing). I would raise the river in a heartbeat and call a 3-bet.

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Yeah... missed the turn bet. Definitely questionable.

Do you really think SB is check/raising with trips/2pr/some-other-crap often enough for us to raise and pay off when he 3-bets his flush?
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Old 09-16-2005, 11:41 PM
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This guy is REALLY aggressive. He can have a big spade and a pair, a lone 9, a 3, anything. This guy will probably bet a spade draw on the flop so I'm not too concerned -- either way we have a great hand against a LAG.
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Old 09-16-2005, 11:49 PM
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This guy is REALLY aggressive. He can have a big spade and a pair, a lone 9, a 3, anything. This guy will probably bet a spade draw on the flop so I'm not too concerned -- either way we have a great hand against a LAG.

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You know, I always forget to take into account the VP$IP when looking at the aggression factor. Good point.
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Old 09-16-2005, 11:59 PM
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Default Re: Can I raise this river?

Opp had 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and MHIG

Yes, that's right, 64 offsuit and he raised the turn with middle pair.
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Old 09-17-2005, 12:09 AM
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Opp had 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and MHIG

Yes, that's right, 64 offsuit and he raised the turn with middle pair.

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Buddy! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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