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Old 09-16-2005, 10:48 AM
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Default Arctic ice-free by 2070

Looks like we may re-build New Orleans only to lose it to rising sea levels in a few years:

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Current computer models suggest that the Arctic will be entirely ice-free during summer by the year 2070 but some scientists now believe that even this dire prediction may be over-optimistic, said Professor Peter Wadhams, an Arctic ice specialist at Cambridge University.

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Global warming 'past the point of no return'

Nothing to see here. Move along. Go back to listening to Rush.
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Old 09-16-2005, 10:50 AM
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Default Re: Arctic ice-free by 2070

Right, because those climate models have been spectacularly accurate in the past.
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Old 09-16-2005, 11:02 AM
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Old 09-16-2005, 11:05 AM
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Default Re: Arctic ice-free by 2070

You need to fix your picture. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 09-16-2005, 12:16 PM
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Default The Sky is Falling!

It's worse than you think! Everything you know is wrong!

The Coming Ice Age!
Read the Book!
Watch the Movie!
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Old 09-17-2005, 01:15 PM
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Default Square root of doom

Read the texts of all those folks who dismiss, on the basis of past performance, all kinds of warning about the environment. You can bet they are mostly ignorant of concepts such as Risk of Ruin.
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Old 09-17-2005, 01:57 PM
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Read the texts of all those folks who dismiss, on the basis of past performance, all kinds of warning about the environment. You can bet they are mostly ignorant of concepts such as Risk of Ruin.

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Im not ignoring all the warnings. I am directly confronting the usage of computer models which have a very poor rate of success in the past of predicting any sort of major climate change. Anyone that wants to be honest in a debate about global warming has to admit that these models are a weakness in their argument. And yes several of our more learned brethren on here have admitted as much. But go on making ridiculous claims like someone who frequents 2+2 is mostly ignorant of the concept of Risk of Ruin.
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Old 09-17-2005, 03:32 PM
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Go on making ridiculous claims like someone who frequents 2+2 is mostly ignorant of the concept of Risk of Ruin.

[/ QUOTE ]You are misquoting me.

What I wrote is that those folks who "dismiss, on the basis of past performance, all kinds of warning about the environment are mostly ignorant of concepts such as Risk of Ruin". I don't know why you did not get it the first time.

There are numerous 2+2 posters (perhaps the majority - I wouldn't know) who understand the RoR concept. But those who foolishly dismiss the threat of Earth ruin are indeed ignorant. No matter how many bankroll equations they have memorised.
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Old 09-17-2005, 03:38 PM
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Go on making ridiculous claims like someone who frequents 2+2 is mostly ignorant of the concept of Risk of Ruin.

[/ QUOTE ]You are misquoting me.

What I wrote is that those folks who "dismiss, on the basis of past performance, all kinds of warning about the environment are mostly ignorant of concepts such as Risk of Ruin". I don't know why you did not get it the first time.

There are numerous 2+2 posters (perhaps the majority - I wouldn't know) who understand the RoR concept. But those who foolishly dismiss the threat of Earth ruin are indeed ignorant. No matter how many bankroll equations they have memorised.

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good post
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Old 09-17-2005, 05:30 PM
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What I wrote is that those folks who "dismiss, on the basis of past performance, all kinds of warning about the environment are mostly ignorant of concepts such as Risk of Ruin". I don't know why you did not get it the first time.

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If dismissing an idea "on the basis of past performance" makes a person ignorant -- what would you consider an acceptable, or an informed basis for dismissing an idea?
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