65s semibluff turn... What about the river?

[Aaron W.]

Both villains are pretty new to the table (maybe 7-10 hands). I haven't seen enough to have a sense of them, but they aren't rocks and aren't psychos.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, Button checks.

Turn: (1.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, Button calls.

River: (3.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero...

I improved... I guess...

[milesdyson]

i'm voting check/fold.

[gharp]

Back at Paradise already?

I'm thinking check/call. Your hand beats a bluff, and you'll see that just enough.

[tyler_cracker]

I vote bet/fold.

If you're going to call 1 bet here, you may as well bet yourself, as you can easily fold to a raise, and maybe you'll fold out a 9/88/77/66. A 2 or 33/44 might call, but will not bet.

The pot is small, so maybe it's not worth risking 1 to win 3.5 or 4.5, but i do think we're good here 1 in 3 times.

Ok, now who votes bet/call?

[TStoneMBD]

check fold unless villain is loose enough to chase a gutshot there. then its check-call.

[Shillx]

Obviously we check here. I've thought about this situation a ton and it seems like there aren't any real game theory concepts to apply here without reads. It is just like a payoff chart that would look something like (take a look if you want to think about game theory and how it applies to poker)...

*Y o u (1st number)
H (5,5) (0,7) (3,1)
i (2,3) (7,1) (2,2)
m (2,4) (4,2) (2,2)

Against a rational person you would select column 1. Against an idiot you would pick comumn 2. Against someone who plays randomly you would also select column 2 (but for different reasons). Against a good player you are totally screwed here. You have to mix up your plays between C1 and C2 but you will always be taking the worst of it.

The same is true with your hand:

Rational player - Check/fold
Bad player - Check/call
Random player - Check/call
Good player - You are screwed since he will be bluffing at a proper ratio. It doesn't matter what you do but he will always come out ahead since you will sometimes payoff his winners and/or fold to his bluffs. So we need to know who the villian is to give you a good answer here.

Brad

[TomBrooks]

Your OOP. Bad spot. No good way to play it. Probably not worth another bet. Button might have a nine or a Queen or something else better than a pair of fives, but who knows?

[SlantNGo]

I don't see a problem with either a check/fold or a check/call.

Why would bet/fold to a raise be a bad idea?

[MrWookie47]

Because if you're called, you're almost certainly losing. You're also not folding any better hands that have made it this far. When you check, you can either induce a bluff or you can fold and save some money.