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Old 09-13-2005, 03:07 PM
ep510 ep510 is offline
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Default Overcards - Calling flop and folding turn HU

I've been getting bet into on the flop (with 3 or fewer players) after my preflop raise very often recently. So, I'm wondering how often you guys make this play? Is this ok most of the time, or should I be more agressive on the flop a good majority of the time? Assume an unknown.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6.00 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls, SB folds.

Turn: (4.00 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5.00 BB.
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Old 09-13-2005, 03:13 PM
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Default Re: Overcards - Calling flop and folding turn HU

not much wrong getting out in this small pot against an unknown, but here, a read really helps. against a straightforward opponent who only bets a pair or better here, sure, fine, you don't have the odds to call the turn. however, this is a flush draw a lot of the time, and it sure seems likely (to your opponent) that you might have a queen in your hand...
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Old 09-13-2005, 03:22 PM
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Default Re: Overcards - Calling flop and folding turn HU

I might even just fold the flop on such an ugly board. Make your A a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and I peel.

If you suspect someone's taking a shot at you because of the flop texture then raise it up to stop future bluffs.
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Old 09-13-2005, 03:29 PM
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Default Re: Overcards - Calling flop and folding turn HU

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however, this is a flush draw a lot of the time, and it sure seems likely (to your opponent) that you might have a queen in your hand...

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i don't understand this statement. could you explain please?

to OP: IMO the fold is fine.
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Old 09-13-2005, 03:34 PM
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Default Re: Overcards - Calling flop and folding turn HU

opponent is betting either a flush draw or a pair. if it's a flush draw, you may have the best hand, and a raise would be in order. if it's a pair, he may believe you have a queen, and fold to a turn raise (or river follow-up).

overall, this is a small pot, and there's a lot of pieces villain could have... and you have, maybe, 6 outs (and perhaps less, if not drawing dead). i don't see anything wrong with folding. just saying that this doesn't seem like a terrible spot, with the right read, for a turn semi-bluff raise.
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Old 09-13-2005, 03:46 PM
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Default Re: Overcards - Calling flop and folding turn HU

oh i get it: you mean if we raise the turn it would seem to our opponent we have the Q..i think i missed that part of your post somewhere. now i get it and i can aggree with that.
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Old 09-13-2005, 03:50 PM
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I like the thinking on this. Very nice.
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Old 09-13-2005, 03:53 PM
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Default Re: Overcards - Calling flop and folding turn HU

With BB betting into the PFR in a 3-handed pot, I'd tend to think this is a pair more than a flush draw. I'm not saying it's definitely a pair, but that's a more aggressive play than I'd guess an unknown BB would make.

This pot's so tiny I might just fold the flop. I'd definitely fold the turn. The Q is a good scare card, but we'd have to invest 2 BB to win 5. I just don't see him folding or being on a flush draw that frequently.
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Old 09-13-2005, 04:05 PM
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folding this flop seems really weak.
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Old 09-13-2005, 04:22 PM
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Default Re: Overcards - Calling flop and folding turn HU

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folding this flop seems really weak.

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Folding this flop loses the least money.
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