Weak laydown of top set on the turn?

Hero has $25, Villian less than $10 and no real reads on him

Hero is in BB holding Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Villian calls .10 from EP, Button calls, I raise to .75, only Villian calls

FLOP: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero checks, Villian bets $.40, Hero raises to $1.20, Villian calls, pot is ~$4

Turn: 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero checks, Villian bets all in for $6.50, Hero folds

Check raising flop was piss poor, as many people at these levels will call any check raise just out of frustration, I put him on KQ or KJ especially with the all in bet

[amoeba]

on the flop either bet pot sized or if you are going to check raise just put him all in.

the laydown is marginal.

[stu-unger]

lead flop/3bet all in or CR pot sized, lead turn for pot. if u do this turn should be just a math problem if u think u r behind.

[amoeba]

you have to realize that inorder for the turn to have helped him, he would have underbet with a gutshot and called a raise on the flop. its kind of unlikely.

more than likely the turn didn't help him.

I think I'm changing my answer from marginal to call.

I tried to get fancy, which is rule #1 no to do at these limits, considering I think he held KQ, i think he would have called the pot sized bet anyways, I just saw someone stacked him when he couldn't let go of his pocket aces on a nasty board.

[stu-unger]

i understand but do the math.

if u pot it on flop its ~1.6 and the pot becomes ~4.8 then u lead the turn for this and a call is correct. he might have a K, but there are also many hands u beat in his range and if u r behind u have hella outs and odds to suck out.

Yea I understand if I would have played the hand ABC like I should have, the money was going in on the turn regardless.

But with the way I played the hand, is this a good or weak laydown? I honestly could not put him on a hand PF, and thought for sure his call was not a flush draw but a pair with a str8 draw, hence my fold.

[stu-unger]

u played with him, u assign him with a range. the way i see it a normal 25 player could do this with AK, QK, KK, AA, TT, JJ, QJ, JT, QT, 89 and air plus stupid top pair hands. u r ahead of a good amount of this range and even if u r behind u have sweet outs. without a read i fold instantly, with a read i may call instantly, it all depends.

I agree, I sat at the table maybe 10 hands before this one, and had no reads what so ever, hence my fold