TT against a LPP, river whatttttt

brazilio · #1 09-07-2005, 06:00 PM

48 hands, nothing out of line besides going to showdown a large amount of time. VP$IP of 40, pfr of 6, postflop aggression of 1.2. He'd lost about 10BB over 4 or 5 hands.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, MP2 folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (6 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (8 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero what what

Final Pot: FISHY

peterchi · #2 09-07-2005, 06:03 PM

Fish need money too. I give him 4 bucks.

And then take note of wtf he played like that.

callmedonnie · #3 09-07-2005, 06:06 PM

Because I can't fold this and I can't raise this, I call this.

Isura · #4 09-07-2005, 06:12 PM

When was the last time you won one of these? It's very close due to the huge pot odds, but I think it's still a fold.

brazilio · #5 09-07-2005, 06:34 PM

That's why I'm asking. My first inclination was an immediate fold and then I called despite my feelings because the river was so bizarre and 75 or 52 are probably beyond even this guy.

Nick C · #6 09-07-2005, 08:12 PM

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That's why I'm asking. My first inclination was an immediate fold and then I called despite my feelings because the river was so bizarre and 75 or 52 are probably beyond even this guy.

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He's probably got something like 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or a rivered set of fours instead.

That said, I might have called his river checkraise too. I do that sometimes, when the pot's kind of big and I don't trust my read on my opponent and I'm having trouble putting him on a hand.

TemetNosce · #7 09-07-2005, 08:43 PM

Hero folds.

This guy is a loose goose and there are several hands that can beat you that he probably played from the BB. You are probably looking at a set or two pair. While the pot is offering 11:1 odds, I can't call this check-raise with less than top pair unless you tell me that this guy is capable of bluff check-raising the river. And that's unlikely.

Bodhi · #8 09-07-2005, 10:27 PM

Hero calls. The pot is too big to fold for just one more bet, but you can expect to lose 90% of the time. I've had fish throw in a river check-raise with wacky hands on a number of occasions.

Ok, I don't mean to hijack, but this is what I'm talking about:

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

CO is a fish.

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, SB folds.

River: (7.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, CO raises [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img], Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Results:
CO shows QhTh for 2 pair, tens and eights.
UTG+1 shows Td7d for 2 pair, tens and eights.
Hero wins 13.5BB

neuroman · #9 09-07-2005, 10:36 PM

In Small Stakes Hold'em, Sklansky generally advocates calling for one bet when the pot is offering 10:1 or better, unless you have a stone read on your opponent.

I call, and expect to be beaten.

W. Deranged · #10 09-07-2005, 10:42 PM

I'm calling here because I simply have no idea what villain could have had here. There is nothing logical that he had that hit that river. Not to say our opponents are logical, but that fact alone puts enough doubt into my head to call. Someone who has been losing may be trying to manufacture wins.