Playing those suited aces...

TakeMeToTheRiver · #1 09-08-2005, 10:12 AM

Two hands from 10/20 live game. This is the game with the 1/2 kill but it was not a kill pot in either of these hands. Table has been fairly loose and there are at least two good players (read: regular 2+2ers) at the table. Both hands were nine or ten handed.

I thought I knew what I was doing, but I am rethinking...

Hand 1: Hero in MP1 with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

Preflop: UTG (very loose) limps, two folds, hero raises, MP2 (fairly loose, can be aggressive but not overly, not very creative) reraises, folded around, UTG calls, hero calls.

Flop (10.5 SB): J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

UTG checks, hero checks, MP2 bets, UTG calls, hero calls.

Turn (6.75 BB): A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

UTG checks, hero checks, MP2 bets, UTG folds, hero raises, MP2 calls.

River (10.75 BB): 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero bets. MP2 calls.

Hand 2: Hero in hijack with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Preflop: Folded to hero. Hero raises. SB (2+2er) calls. BB calls (new player).

Flop (6 SB): A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB checks, BB checks, hero bets, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn (4 BB): 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB checks. Hero bets. SB calls.

River (6 BB): 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

SB checks. Hero checks.

toss · #2 09-08-2005, 10:19 AM

In the first hand I'd just c/c the turn and river and let MP2 bet a worse hand while saving bets against his better hands.

Second hand I have to think about more.

krimson · #3 09-08-2005, 10:46 AM

Hand 1, I think when we hit the Ace on the turn it's wa/wb considering MP3 3-bet the flop. I would c/c the turn and lead the river.

Hand 2, given that sb is a 2+2'er, I don't think he would wait to c/r on the river with a strong hand. I think if he had anything he would have c/r'd the turn or lead on the river. I think we can bet this and get called down by some middle or low pp's.

Nick Royale · #4 09-08-2005, 10:50 AM

Who's the 2+2:er? There is no hand I would call in hand 2 preflop as SB.

TakeMeToTheRiver · #5 09-08-2005, 11:04 AM

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Who's the 2+2:er? There is no hand I would call in hand 2 preflop as SB.

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I may have screwed up his position... I will lead him to the thread and let him correct me if I am wrong.

TakeMeToTheRiver · #6 09-08-2005, 12:43 PM

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In the first hand I'd just c/c the turn and river and let MP2 bet a worse hand while saving bets against his better hands.

Second hand I have to think about more.

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c/c-ing was probably a better plan in hand 1. I don't know if my c/r would scare out any hand that was ahead of me at that point and would like cause many inferior hands to fold (hands that might otherwise pay me an extra bet on the river).

The more I think about it, the more I hate the way I played the turn there.

rmarotti · #7 09-08-2005, 12:46 PM

It was me, and I flubbed up the hand on the river. PF i was OOP floating on TMTTR because he seemed to be raising a lot of aces that maybe didnt warrant a raise.

PITTM · #8 09-08-2005, 12:58 PM

hand 1 looks okay to me.

bet the river in hand 2.

nh

rj

pauliewalnuts · #9 09-08-2005, 01:03 PM

Would folding the flop in the first hand be bad? Good chance your nine outs are no good and you could be reverse dominated by the first limper with A6 or A7 or even AJs by the 3bettor. Not saying folding is right, but asking because I may be folding incorrectly here a lot of the time.

TakeMeToTheRiver · #10 09-08-2005, 02:25 PM

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It was me, and I flubbed up the hand on the river. PF i was OOP floating on TMTTR because he seemed to be raising a lot of aces that maybe didnt warrant a raise.

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I forgot to mention that rm did see the play of the first hand and the showdown (the hands were within five hands of each other) -- so he had that limited knowledge of how I played my suited A. We have played before but I believe that was only during bunkfest, in the wee hours of the morning and at lower stakes (with many drunks)... so I am not sure he can base my play on much from that game.

Back to the issue here -- rm says that these hands "maybe didnt warrant a raise." How should I have played it pre-flop? Any thoughts on whether a raise was warranted in both (or either) of these pre-flop situations?