Basic question, common situation.

Ninth Path · #1 09-03-2005, 05:46 AM

Lets say Party 2/4
I guess I'm looking for the general, readless answer. Just making sure this isn't a leak in my game.
You raise from middle position with AJo, get a few callers.
Flop comes KQ2 rainbow. (or two of a suit...guess it doesn't matter)
You bet out and get raised, make the extremely easy call.
Turn comes a 3 (completing the rainbow...again, not sure if it matters.
You check, raiser bets.........do you call with your gutshot plus ugly, ugly, ace outs? I have been...just want to make sure it's right.

To change it up, if I'm bet into on the flop I raise, but again don't know what to do if I'm faced with a turn donk bet........

Thanks,
Ninth Path

Ninth Path · #2 09-03-2005, 06:17 AM

Does this belong in general or micro? Pretty sure it's a standard answer...

ebranig · #3 09-03-2005, 06:42 AM

Depends mostly on your pot odds, how many other callers are there?

Ninth Path · #4 09-03-2005, 06:48 AM

By the turn, one or two. Even seeing the flop, 1-4...I guess I'm assuming the flop bet and raiser behind cuts it down to one or two after the flop.

ebranig · #5 09-03-2005, 06:51 AM

I think I demand about 9-1 to make this call. I don't think you're getting this frequently in this situation.

The ace outs are very weak, as you say. no good against KQ AK, AQ KK, QQ, AA. You could also be against JT and the ace is no good there either.

Ninth Path · #6 09-03-2005, 06:54 AM

Thanks ebranig...I think I'll start making this turn decision more situationally based (is there a flush draw, how good is the opponent, etc.) I think I've been calling the turn too much in this situation just to protect against the bluff.

ebranig · #7 09-03-2005, 08:27 AM

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I think I've been calling the turn too much in this situation just to protect against the bluff.

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Just so you know this is a common leak that MANY of us have struggled with. (incl myself!)

Glad to help,

#8 09-03-2005, 09:11 AM

Describing the situation as you do, its so sketchy its hard to say anything about it.

However i dislike
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if I'm bet into on the flop I raise

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you make it sound like this is an automove, where i think this is the opposite if you have more than one coldcaller behind you. Noone is gonna fold AQ on the flop with a medium/bigsizedpot. Perhaps you can make a mediumpocketpair fold, but unless they incline calling both flop and turn they are drawing for 4% for a turnhit, gaining you with their fold too little to justify a raise and the extra potential dangers. Straightdraws are getting good odds on the flop despite of your raise most of the time, and you probably cost yourself an opportunity to raise 4th street if you spike a 10 and make it unprofitable for a jack to draw for a tied pot. so the only reason to opt raising is if you are pretty sure this will buy you a freecard and in not much fear of a 3-bet(wich would suck drawing to a measly 5-6 outer), wich is doubtful with people to act behind you and EP betting in into a large field