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Two Interesting 5.50 hands
Assume no reads.
Hand 1: Hero 870 Villain 1090. 7 players are left Blinds are 10/20 Hero has J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in UTG + 1 with 7 players left UTG folds Hero raises to 70 Folds to villain in SB who calls BB folds Pot = 160 Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Villain checks Hero bets 100 Villain calls Pot = 360 Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Villain checks Hero bets 250 Villain calls River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Villain bets 500 (putting hero all in) Hero calls Hand 2: (I think this hand was played very well; I may be wrong, but I'll defend the passive line after I get a few flames for it.) Villain 3350 Hero 3675 UTG 2275 Button 1060 Blinds 50/100 Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 folds Villain completes SB Hero checks Pot = 200 Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Villain checks Hero checks Pot = 200 Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Villain bets 260 Hero calls Pot = 720 River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Villain checks Hero checks Comments? |
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Re: Two Interesting 5.50 hands
Lol, nobody considers $5.50 hands to be interesting. Just pretend it's a $215 with idiots.
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Re: Two Interesting 5.50 hands
Hand 1:
The flop is draw heavy. I'd push the flop or at least bet big enough to give him incorrect odds to draw. Since it's a $5, I'm leaning towards pushing because you can often expect a call if he caught any piece of the board. Hand 2: AT is a tricky hand to play. I don't think you played the hand horribly. I probably would've bet 1/2 pot on the flop and bet 3/4 pot on the turn, but I would've been uneasy doing so. AT is really tricky. You checked the flop, but were prepared to call a large turn bet. I'm not saying that this is wrong, but I usually like to be the one raising, not the one calling. When villain checks the river, I assume that he has either a weak ace or nothing at all. It may be worth betting the river for value. I don't think checking is bad either though if you think he can be tricky holding a J. |
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Re: Two Interesting 5.50 hands
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Lol, nobody considers $5.50 hands to be interesting. Just pretend it's a $215 with idiots. [/ QUOTE ] I could have sworn I just read in another thread that you were berating someone for making fun of the stakes that you play at... doesn't seem to apply to you though, huh? Thanks for adding a useless post. As for the OP, the first hand I would have played more aggressively post-flop. Possibly a bigger bet on the flop and turn, but probably not by too much. The river bet might have scared me (depending on the read of villain), because he may have caught a dirty two pair or something equally disgusting. However, glad it worked out for you. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] |
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Re: Two Interesting 5.50 hands
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[ QUOTE ] Lol, nobody considers $5.50 hands to be interesting. Just pretend it's a $215 with idiots. [/ QUOTE ] I could have sworn I just read in another thread that you were berating someone for making fun of the stakes that you play at... doesn't seem to apply to you though, huh? [/ QUOTE ] I don't think I've ever criticized anyone for making fun of the average joe at my level. Anyway, thanks for the commentary. Both of you seem to think that larger bets in hand 1 would probably be a good idea. How much larger? What hands do I want to price out that I haven't already? I used to consistently bet pot until I realized that 2-1 against 1-card draws are pretty rare. |
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Re: Two Interesting 5.50 hands
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Both of you seem to think that larger bets in hand 1 would probably be a good idea. How much larger? What hands do I want to price out that I haven't already? [/ QUOTE ] This is my thinking: If you had simply limped PF and villain called in the SB (and magically the BB folded), you are pretty much up against a random hand, which could mean 2 pair on such a rag board. This isn't the case though. You raised PF and villain called - it's no longer a random hand making 2-pair on the rag board less likely. It wasn't a HUGE raise, so villain could have called you with all kinds of questionable holdings. Basically, I've decided that he doesn't have 2-pair on the flop because of your raise. He could've called you with soooted cards giving him a flush draw a pocket pair (probably smaller than your JJ or he would've reraised), so he could have a set, or overcards, but most likely I put him on some kind've flush or straight draw. Most of the time you're ahead here. The only thing you should be concerned about is giving him incorrect odds to call his draw or to make his hand. If he happens to have a made hand on the flop (some weird 2-pair or set) then so be it, you go broke, but in the long run you'll make money like this. Push the flop or provide a large overbet like 2 or 3 times pot or something like that. You can work out the math to find out bets that are incorrect to call based on the draws you put him on. Pushing the flop is simpler. Simple is good. |
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Re: Two Interesting 5.50 hands
To sum it up in more general terms:
Preflop was good. On the flop stop and evaluate the situation. Put any villains on a range of hands based on the preflop play and based on any reads you've managed to obtain. Based on your evaluation, determine if you rate to be ahead. Are you ahead by alot? Behind? Coinflip? Now the decision should be easy. If you get sucked out, then pat yourself on the back for an EV play. If you got outplayed or put him on an incorrect range of hands, try and learn from it. |
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Re: Two Interesting 5.50 hands
[ QUOTE ]
To sum it up in more general terms: Preflop was good. On the flop stop and evaluate the situation. Put any villains on a range of hands based on the preflop play and based on any reads you've managed to obtain. Based on your evaluation, determine if you rate to be ahead. Are you ahead by alot? Behind? Coinflip? Now the decision should be easy. If you get sucked out, then pat yourself on the back for an EV play. If you got outplayed or put him on an incorrect range of hands, try and learn from it. [/ QUOTE ] The range of hands that I put my typical villain on when they call a raise in Bodog level two here is basically A2-AT, K2+, TJ, QJ, QTs, 22-55 and all suited connectors. Admittedly, I don't stop to think about this range much, but once I get more evidence I'm inclined to assume it's one of these hands (others would usually raise/fold I think). I'm having a serious problem finding a hand that villain has odds to call me with here on the flop that isn't a favorite. |
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Re: Two Interesting 5.50 hands
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I'm having a serious problem finding a hand that villain has odds to call me with here on the flop that isn't a favorite. [/ QUOTE ] You're thinking wrong for a 5.50 tourney. Villain isn't working out pot odds (unless he's the world's best $5.50 player). He probably has a hand like on of the following (that you'd want him to call the push with): Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8c 6d 4d cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Jc Jh 520 52.53 461 46.57 9 0.91 0.530 Qd Td 461 46.57 520 52.53 9 0.91 0.470 Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8c 6d 4d cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Jc Jh 729 73.64 253 25.56 8 0.81 0.740 7s 7c 253 25.56 729 73.64 8 0.81 0.260 Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8c 6d 4d cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Jc Jh 695 70.20 287 28.99 8 0.81 0.706 5c 5d 287 28.99 695 70.20 8 0.81 0.294 Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8c 6d 4d cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Jc Jh 702 70.91 273 27.58 15 1.52 0.717 Ac Kd 273 27.58 702 70.91 15 1.52 0.283 Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8c 6d 4d cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Jc Jh 523 52.83 458 46.26 9 0.91 0.533 Ad 2d 458 46.26 523 52.83 9 0.91 0.467 Hands like this you are behind Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8c 6d 4d cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Jc Jh 445 44.95 536 54.14 9 0.91 0.454 Ad Kd 536 54.14 445 44.95 9 0.91 0.546 |
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