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08-29-2005, 11:51 AM
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$6/$12 Hand at the Tropicana (Check-raised with AQo)
6/12 at the Trop in AC. I was thinking about this hand for a while after it happened. Regardless of the results here, which I won't show for now, is this a hand I should save 2 BBs and get away from? Or do you call down with this?
Table has been very loose-passive for the most part except for one Rock and one TAG who weren't involved in this hand. MP1 here has fit the table image and has been pretty loose-passive as well. I have A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in the BB. Pre-flop: 3 limps, SB completes, Hero raises, 4 calls. Flop ($60.00): A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] SB checks, Hero bets, <font color="red">MP1 calls</font>, 3 folds. Turn ($72.00): [A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Hero bets, <font color="red">MP1 raises</font>, Hero thinks and calls. River ($120.00): [A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Hero checks, <font color="red">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls. 
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#2
08-29-2005, 11:55 AM
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Re: $6/$12 Hand at the Tropicana (Check-raised with AQo)
Turn is a pretty scary card. If opponent is loose-passive and non-tricky, I might be inclined to fold. Either way, I think it is important not to think about your decision to much if you are going to fold, might give someone the idea to take a shot at you when the board is scary.
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#3
08-29-2005, 12:04 PM
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Re: $6/$12 Hand at the Tropicana (Check-raised with AQo)
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Either way, I think it is important not to think about your decision to much if you are going to fold, might give someone the idea to take a shot at you when the board is scary. [/ QUOTE ] This wasn't the type of table that was doing any sort of opponent modelling, don't worry. As for your advice, that's exactly how I felt both during and the hours after the hand. It seemed to me that folding was the obvious play here as he was representing a set of 9s and I am nearly drawing dead if that's the case. Anyway, ego took over and I called down.
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#4
08-29-2005, 12:10 PM
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Re: $6/$12 Hand at the Tropicana (Check-raised with AQo)
Unless you have a great read, and that means over a good amount of hands, I'm calling down.
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#5
08-29-2005, 12:16 PM
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Re: $6/$12 Hand at the Tropicana (Check-raised with AQo)
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Unless you have a great read, and that means over a good amount of hands, I'm calling down. [/ QUOTE ] Do we always assume LAG with no read? This seems detrimental to me. While I had only seen about 30-40 hands at this point, I would still call my read a "good" one. I feel it only takes about this many hands at a live Limit game to classify a player type. BTW, keep in mind here that I have represented strength both PF and on the flop. A flop of AKx looks as scary to anyone else as it does to me. For him to raise here, I'm almost positive he has a monster. But I could be wrong. Any other thoughts?
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#6
08-29-2005, 12:34 PM
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Re: $6/$12 Hand at the Tropicana (Check-raised with AQo)
unless you've raised a few times out of the BB before, I think folding is appropriate. players tend to project their raising standards on others, and a lot of live players will give you too much credit when you raise from the blinds. these players tend not to bluff, and I don't see him raising an A because AA, KK, and AK all hit the flop pretty hard. I think this is a fairly simple fold against a passive player. just don't agonize over it. toss it into the muck as if you have queens. don't let them think you can fold
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#7
08-29-2005, 01:02 PM
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Re: $6/$12 Hand at the Tropicana (Check-raised with AQo)
We don't always assume they're LAG with no read, they just have to be LAG or getting frisky a fraction of the time to make calling correct in a pot this large. We're getting about 10 to 2, or 5 to 1 on a calldown, so ignoring the river card improving us we only need to be good 1 time in 6 or less than 17%. If we give ourselves 2 outs if behind we only need to be good less than 13% of the time to calldown.
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#8
08-29-2005, 05:17 PM
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Re: $6/$12 Hand at the Tropicana (Check-raised with AQo)
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Just don't agonize over it. toss it into the muck as if you have queens. Don't let them think you can fold. [/ QUOTE ] I guess I don't stress the importance of this enough when I play live. I'll start using this for now on, thanks.
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#9
08-29-2005, 10:40 PM
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Re: $6/$12 Hand at the Tropicana (Check-raised with AQo)
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Turn is a pretty scary card. If opponent is loose-passive and non-tricky, I might be inclined to fold. Either way, I think it is important not to think about your decision to much if you are going to fold, might give someone the idea to take a shot at you when the board is scary. [/ QUOTE ] The Trop 6/12 game is about as tricky as a maze with no walls, and a bit looser than Paris Hilton. There are maybe 1 or 2 tricky and unpredictable players capable of taking a shot on a hand like this. Folding here is a no-brainer against the vast majority of players in that game.
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