Case Study: AKo unimproved oop

ReadyEddie · #1 08-25-2005, 05:25 PM

I'm having some problems when AK doesnt improve out of position. Here are some of the hands from last night.
thanks for the help and sorry for so many hands, im not a fan of group posts myself, but i figure they're all related.

Hand 1:
MP3: 52/0 over 50 hands

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero raises, MP3 calls, SB calls.

Flop: (6.00 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero folds.

i like this one, any comments welcome

Hand 2:
MP1: 43/11 over 90 hands
MP2: 22/6 over 105 hands

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 5 folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks.

River: (5.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB.

check and call the river if HU? check fold the river?

Hand 3:
CO has made some TAG plays. no stats on him.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
6 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, CO caps, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB.

fold river?

Hand 4:
No reads

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO checks, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (12.00 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero folds.

do i bet this flop at all?

Hand 5:
MP1: is 28/5

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, MP1 calls, 5 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB.

where do i fold?

Hand 6:
Button is a TAG
BB is 66/12 over 64 hands

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, Button calls, 1 folds, BB calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, MP3 folds, Hero calls, Button raises, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, BB raises, Hero folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB.

ugh i dont even know, origional plan was to raise a non spade turn. then when the turn came i kinda anti-tilted and made the fold. good fold? stay with it?

brazilio · #2 08-25-2005, 06:04 PM

hand 3 and hand 6 jump out at me, hand 3 fold the turn, hand 6 raise the flop if you like money. Good fold in hand 6, but playing that weakly makes my colon itch.

Perseus · #3 08-25-2005, 06:08 PM

Not putting money into hand six is so bad, and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

Mroberts3 · #4 08-25-2005, 06:08 PM

Ill just respond to the first one and edit later if i find more... I would personally check this turn. The turn made for an increasinly dangerous board, Id be more inclined to bet a more blankish card. Also, I dont like betting and then folding to a raise, not that its wrong, but If i am that uncertain about my hand, id rather check and then fold/call player and cards depending.

callmedonnie · #5 08-25-2005, 06:36 PM

Hand 1 is nice. Hand 2 I bet the turn. Hand 3 I fold the turn. Hand 4 not only do I bet the flop, I call the turn to see a river because you have odds. Hand 5 I think river might be c/f.
That last hand raise flop, fold turn.

baronzeus · #6 08-25-2005, 06:40 PM

1. fine
2. bet turn check river
3. fine
4. check flop
5. check river
6. raise flop

newhizzle · #7 08-25-2005, 07:29 PM

1 looks good
2 dont bet the river, probably bet the turn
3 i dont like this one, but dont really have advise for you
4 ill probly see a river, big pot
5 check/call river, a bet dosent have much value here
6 i would have raised the flop

damaniac · #8 08-25-2005, 07:40 PM

Whoa that's a lot of hands at once.

Hand 1 is ok, I might just check the turn against two opponents, having it 3-way may discourage MP3 from bluffing as much those times when your AK is still best, so you aren't giving up much by check-folding.

Hand 2, I feel you have to bet that turn, you have the best hand plus a little fold equity against a 66-88 kind of thing once in awhile. Not betting isn't terrible, but I'd rather bet.

Not loving hand 3, I think by the river you are ahead of like nothing he's betting, he probably only bets AK UI half the time at best and of course you only get half the pot. You could actually fold the turn too, it's probably close given his range of hands, plus the fact that he might slow down and not bet AK sometimes on the turn.

Hand 4 is tough for me, not much for anyone to hit but with so many there someone has to have you beat. But you have live oc's often so you're clearly not folding, but neither is anyone else. I guess I bet because someone else will if you don't, may as well be you, maybe some people will fold for fear of a raise behind them, and the typical LP's won't raise without a good hand, plus you can keep up the charade of having a legit hand, FWIW. I think you can call the turn at 11.5:1, although against 3 players...eh, lot of bad things can happen if you are reverse dominated.

Hand 5
I'm not in love with the river bet in this one, sometimes it's a value bet, sometimes a bluff, but given the way he played this he isn't showing down AQ/AJ UI here since I don't expect he has them. He either has a missed draw (which you beat and ain't calling) or a pair and that ain't folding either.

Hand 6
Your flop play sucks. Just sucks. Lots of flush/straight/pairy cards. Raise. Failing that, limp/reraise. There's no guaruntee you'll be bet into on the turn (he may be betting a flush draw/straight draw, middle pair, or even cold-bluffing the A), so you may as well raise while you know you can.

As played, looks like BB hit his flush...I guess. He could also be protecting a weaker made hand (AJish) and you've allowed him to by playing weakly the rest of the way. I fold it anyway, not that close, but you really need to play the flop stronger.

damaniac · #9 08-25-2005, 07:42 PM

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Also, I dont like betting and then folding to a raise, not that its wrong, but If i am that uncertain about my hand, id rather check and then fold/call player and cards depending.

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This is bad. This is a legit serious leak. There's a good article in one of the recent magazines about this type of thing.

Mroberts3 · #10 08-25-2005, 08:26 PM

ok, what i said was wrong, now is anyone gonna tell me why or how to fix it? Whats the use of telling me that if you arn't even going to back up what you said or tell me why. I admit Im not close to mastering the game, but its pretty annoying sitting having a "serious legit leak" and nobody telling me why or how to fix it. (if you mean the 2+2 mag, I didnt see anything recent, and the old ones get deleted