Turn top 2 pair...what now?

GoCubsGo · #1 08-19-2005, 02:05 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) converter

MP3 ($22.35)
Hero ($49.25)
Button ($43.90)
SB ($51.05)
BB ($18.25)
UTG ($22.65)
UTG+1 ($90.45)
MP1 ($28.45)
MP2 ($47.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($2.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets $2.5, UTG+1 calls $2.50, MP2 folds, Hero calls $2.50.

Turn: ($9.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $5, Hero calls $5, BB folds.

River: ($19.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $15, Hero raises to $41.25

Is this correct? With no reads on villain, he could have tpgk or a lower two pair. He could also have a set, though. Am I better off calling on the river? Raising the turn? What gets the maximum value from hands I beat but loses the least to a set? Does anyone ever fold here?

SlyAK · #2 08-19-2005, 02:09 PM

I would raise the turn, there are now 2 flush draws out there, and you need to punish him if he wants to draw out on you. I would also raise this river, and I wouldn't even think about folding it.

Sly

GoCubsGo · #3 08-19-2005, 02:17 PM

I seriously doubt I have to worry about flush draws. People usually don't bet with draws at SSNL. His bet probably means a made hand.

CaptainNoBeard · #4 08-19-2005, 02:18 PM

raise the turn. two flush draws and a broadway draw on board. if you're beat on the turn, you're going to have a hard time not going broke this hand, but the aspect you can and should control is raising the draws out of this pot.

SlyAK · #5 08-19-2005, 02:27 PM

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People usually don't bet with draws at SSNL.

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I do

GoCubsGo · #6 08-19-2005, 02:47 PM

So do I. But we're 2+2ers, not donkeys.

GrunchCan · #7 08-19-2005, 02:49 PM

I make a PSR on the turn. That A is good for you, but it's good for others, too. There are now actually three draws on board, and I disagree with this statement:

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People usually don't bet with draws at SSNL.

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In my limited time at 25NL and 50NL, I have noticed quite a lot of semi bluffing. Not from everyone, but there is a definite proportion of SSNLers who do it regularly.

IamLeach · #8 08-19-2005, 03:22 PM

Villian is playing his hand like a set IMO. Being as you don't have a great read on Villian, I would just call the river bet here just in case of a set. I probably would have raised the turn and if villian leads the river I just call, if villian calls the turn raise and checks the river I bet 1/2 to 2/3 pot if villian pushes I would want to fold here but may call cause I am an idiot. but I would definitly recomend fold in that situation.

Raven · #9 08-19-2005, 03:32 PM

Im raising on the flop because your hand is probably the best for now but a lot of turn cards could kill your hand, any club, J, Q or K is scary for you. You will get a lot of calls from QT, KT and flush draw on the flop anyway.

After that if I'm called I fire another 2/3 pot bet on the turn and check back the river.

If you have AT and the flop is A42 with two club you can much more safely just call the flop.

IamLeach · #10 08-19-2005, 03:46 PM

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People usually don't bet with draws at SSNL.

I do

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So do i [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]