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Danenania · #1 08-16-2005, 11:49 AM

SB is a 28/21 TAG who is quite aggressive and occasionally gets out of line/tilts postflop. Are we giving SN's now? It's "Lelayz". Someone tell me if that's taboo and I'll edit.

MP is a typical loose passive/passive.

CO is about 36/16 and seems straightforward.

Is this turn raise too much? Could I have found a river fold?

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, CO raises, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG folds, MP calls, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, MP calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (14 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, MP calls, CO folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, MP calls, Hero calls.

River: (23 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, MP calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 26 BB

RunDownHouse · #2 08-16-2005, 11:56 AM

I don't know what value is added by naming the opponent if he isn't some nut/predictable player.

As for the hand, I think I fold the river, as awful as doing it is. Once he doesn't even blink at 3betting the turn, I don't know what he'd lead the river into 2 players with that isn't a straight. I don't play this wacky game, but I'd be surprised if even a 10/20 got THAT out of line.

Jeff W · #3 08-16-2005, 11:58 AM

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I don't know what he'd lead the river into 2 players with that isn't a straight.

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77 or TILT. I wouldn't fold getting 25:1 based on Dane's description.

Danenania · #4 08-16-2005, 12:05 PM

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I don't know what value is added by naming the opponent if he isn't some nut/predictable player.

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Well, he/she is a multitabling regular who plays often, so I assume some here might be aware of his/her tendencies, perhaps better so than I. Still like I said if people feel this to be underhanded I'll edit it. I know the folks in Mid/High generally welcome SN's.

spydog · #5 08-16-2005, 12:06 PM

I 3-bet a pocket pair this good preflop.

I remember playing Lelayz numerous times at lower limits. He was always like 33/20 and tough to play against OOP. I wonder who he is????

I think you have to raise the turn here as a flush draw/77/KK/AA/T9 is possible from him, plus you have the added overlay from MP. Once he 3-bets the turn, I slow down and give him credit for a better hand, but no way do I consider folding. No way. So, I play it the same.

JrJordan · #6 08-16-2005, 12:12 PM

I play it the same on all streets including the turn raise. You have an overlay with MP sticking around and SB's flop action is more likely to be a fastplayed 2pair type hand or club draw. Since you said he has aggressive tendencies I'd be hard pressed to give him credit for an 8 until the turn 3bet.

Getting 23:1 vs. this guy on the riv it's an easy call too.

ISF · #7 08-16-2005, 01:01 PM

I threebet this preflop, but play all other streets the same.

Danenania · #8 08-16-2005, 01:21 PM

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I threebet this preflop, but play all other streets the same.

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Hmm, I certainly see nothing wrong with a 3-bet given our hand strength and position, but isn't the chance to often raise almost any non-A high flop and face the field with 2 bets worth more than the extra PF value? With a pot that is sure to be huge by the flop and a pair that is sure to be vulnerable I think it is.

Jeff W · #9 08-16-2005, 01:27 PM

I like a 3-bet because it keeps the pot as shorthanded as possible. I want to give the blinds and EP players as much incentive as possible to fold pre flop and increase my equity share of the dead money.

yanicehand · #10 08-16-2005, 01:32 PM

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I like a 3-bet because it keeps the pot as shorthanded as possible. I want to give the blinds and EP players as much incentive as possible to fold pre flop and increase my equity share of the dead money.

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This is spot on what I think, and it changes the entire dynamics of the hand postflop. Hope he was tilting, though. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]