The *official* lag hand of the week

thabadguy · #1 08-13-2005, 02:30 AM

Hello MHNL.
Here's my Lag Hand.
10-25nl at borgata..my stack about 6k, villains stack about 4k
I am in MP, villain is on Button,he is not very good, weak passive..always bitching bout something..hates life cuz every morning he wakes up as himself, very tight, his reraises means a hand.
I have a very LAG image.
1 limp to me, i make it 120 with 3c3d ,he makes it 300, all else fold, i call.
flop is 8h Kd 7d ,
I check, he bets 500 i call.
Turn is 4c.
Check Check
river is 9h, i bet 2k.
Standard? Thoughts?

mgsimpleton · #2 08-13-2005, 02:37 AM

ummmm ok well when you check called did you do that to represent flush when it comes? did you do that because you put him on QQ-JJ and wanted to see if he checked behind on turn to take it away on river?

i mean if he's weak tight he will probably fold QQ or lower here. but if he's weak tight i can also see him having AK or AA and checking behind on turn because that's what weak tight people do, and then on river he is calling. this looks a lot like a missed flush draw IMO or it could be a set that missed a check raise. if i'm not weak tight and i have anything and you are as lag as you are i am calling, but this is if i am not weak tight. most likely he has QQ type hand and you take him off it but to anyone who has played poker i don't know what you are really trying to represent, it looks like aggression for aggression's sake.

edit: i like this play a LOT more if you do it in position. calling to take away out of position is usually disastrous, IMHO.

thabadguy · #3 08-13-2005, 02:42 AM

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ummmm ok well when you check called did you do that to represent flush when it comes? did you do that because you put him on QQ-JJ and wanted to see if he checked behind on turn to take it away on river?

i mean if he's weak tight he will probably fold QQ or lower here. but if he's weak tight i can also see him having AK or AA and checking behind on turn because that's what weak tight people do, and then on river he is calling. this looks a lot like a missed flush draw IMO or it could be a set that missed a check raise. if i'm not weak tight and i have anything and you are as lag as you are i am calling, but this is if i am not weak tight. most likely he has QQ type hand and you take him off it but to anyone who has played poker i don't know what you are really trying to represent, it looks like aggression for aggression's sake.

edit: i like this play a LOT more if you do it in position. calling to take away out of position is usually disastrous, IMHO.

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You do understand the the 9 is not a complete blank right?
Do you like this move a lot bettre if he bet the turn?
I agree that this play would be a lot better in position, but then it is almost "standard" for me, i wanted to see what mhnl thought of a bluff like this OOP.

mgsimpleton · #4 08-13-2005, 02:45 AM

9 is sort of a blank, unless you are representing 999 exactly, which is the only hand that got there on the river. but in that way, any card could give you a set on the river.

AEKDBet · #5 08-13-2005, 02:46 AM

I would think villain is most afraid of 2 pair - K9 first, and 89 second.

mythrilfox · #6 08-13-2005, 03:06 AM

Think he means 56.

I don't like it unless villain will outthink himself here and fold. I understand your image is also maniacally laggy most of the time, I can't see even a weak-tight player folding AA/KK here.

thabadguy · #7 08-13-2005, 03:08 AM

Im not looking for him to fold KK, i dont think he checks behind on blank turn with KK. AA AK QQ maybe JJ, is what he has.

mgsimpleton · #8 08-13-2005, 03:10 AM

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Think he means 56.

I don't like it unless villain will outthink himself here and fold. I understand your image is also maniacally laggy most of the time, I can't see even a weak-tight player folding AA/KK here.

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56 got there on the turn. 9 is a blank except ::sigh:: 89 or JT. but it is a blank in that it appears not to help, which is all a blank can be. sure any card can help any person but when you play 94s and hit two pair with a 9 for instance, a seeming blank makes your hand. and that is really the ONLY value of playing trash. trash aside, the 9 is a blank.

mikech · #9 08-13-2005, 03:33 AM

does a weak-tight player even bet that flop with QQ/JJ? is he so weak-tight that he'd actually fold AA/AK? i like his line a lot if he had AA, it's a fine pot-control play in position with a one-pair hand (of course he MUST call the river bet if he takes that line).

mgsimpleton · #10 08-13-2005, 03:44 AM

p.s. are you wary of people checking behind the turn with monsters to induce your bluffs? do people do this to you a lot? seems like if i got KK here maybe i check behind versus you you crazy lag bastahd.